Text 26760, 90 rader
Skriven 2007-02-01 22:23:33 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26704 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Presidential race
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John Hull -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 JH> Gary Braswell -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 GB>> Mimi Gallandt -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 MG>>> Gary Braswell -> John Massey wrote:
 GB>>>> John Massey -> Gary Braswell wrote:

 GB>>>>>> I agree we can't keep the door open and we have to take steps to
 MG>>> stop
 GB>>>>>> it, short of branding a people wetbacks and reducing their
 JH> humanity
 GB>>>>>> enough its not humans we are shooting for just coming across the
 JM>>>>> border.


 JM>>>>> We are not shooting them for crossing the border .
 JM>>>>> We should shoot them for ILLEGALLY invading our country.
 JM>>>>> The "reducing their humanity" line is an excuse not to protect this
 JM>>>>> country.

 GB>>>> Don't bother with trying anything else, just gun 'em down? How about
 GB>>>> some scale of punishment for the crime?

 GB>>>> So its ok to label them with racial slurs by calling them wetbacks
 GB>> and
 GB>>>> then gun them down as they cross the border?

 GB>>>> I support putting up a wall and having it patrolled. I support
 GB>>>> appropriate action to stop them from committing crimes as they do
 GB>> this
 GB>>>> such as endangering lives, destroying private property, rape,
 GB>> assault,
 GB>>>> etc. up to shooting them if need be to stop it.

 GB>>>> I don't like the idea of amnesty for those that are already here,
 JH> but
 GB>>>> there is no way we can realistically round up millions and send
 MG>>> them back.

 GB>>>> Perhaps granting them some kind of extended work visa that they
 JH> would
 GB>>>> need to have to remain here and get services like school and medical
 GB>>>> help, drivers licenses, etc.

 MG>>> Maybe the rest of the country allows people to have these things
 GB>> without
 MG>>> documentation, but here in California people have to have the correct
 MG>>> documents to get those things; Even albinos have to show birth
 MG>>> certificates to be registered in public schools here to get into
 MG>>> kindergarten and first grade (kindergarden is not mandatory in CA)
 JH> and
 MG>>> prior school records for older children transferring in also shot
 MG>>> records are required; medical help requires some kind of medical
 MG>>> insurance you can't be seen by a doctor without it here, long gone
 JH> are
 MG>>> the days of paying cash for doctors; Every single licensed driver in
 MG>>> California had to show their birth certificate for their first
 JH> license
 MG>>> here. Are things really different in other states? OK I know that in
 MG>>> Montana you can substitute your family bible for an actual birth
 MG>>> certificate (I'm not BSing, you really can). The real solution to
 MG>>> keeping all illegals out is if no one will hire them, go after the
 MG>>> employers.


 GB>> You have a point. If they cannot get work here, they will not come.
 JH> That
 GB>> is why I advocated the extended work visa. In exchange for
 JH> registering,
 GB>> which would allow them to work legally, they would also get drivers
 GB>> licenses, entitled to medical help, public school, etc. Without it
 JH> they
 GB>> get none of that, including work.

 GB>> They will go back.



 JH> Except that they don't.  Once they get the pass they stay.

They don't now because little is being done to deal with the situation.

-- 
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night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."- George Orwell

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