Text 26940, 71 rader
Skriven 2007-02-04 14:55:05 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26899 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: WETBACKS, THE BORDER, SOL
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John Hull -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 JH> Mimi Gallandt -> Jeff Binkley wrote:
 MG>> Jeff Binkley -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 GB>>>>>>> We can try other things fist, John. You know that. Come on.

 GB>>>>>>> The reason its epidemic is the lack of enforcement, the lack
 GB>>>>>>> of political action because of politicians wanting the
 GB>>>>>>> Hispanic vote as well as allowing business to get cheap labor.

 BA>>>>>> Not to mention the fact that American citizens don't want to
 BA>>>>>> pay the price on goods that's required to pay other American
 BA>>>>>> citizens to produce them. Which is why so many manufactured
 BA>>>>>> goods are no longer manufactured in this country.

 JB>>>>> That's Ok, wait till the libs and greenies wake up and see what
 JB>>>>> their mad push to ethanol is going to do to energy and food
 JB>>>>> costs.  This was predicted but nobody is listening.  Taken
 JB>>>>> further it will actually cause an increase not a decrease in the
 JB>>>>> use of fossil fuels.  But again heads are in the sand. This is
 JB>>>>> the MTBE fiasco all over again.

 MG>>>> On the subject of cars and alternative fuels; Ford has announced
 MG>>>> they're building a "plug in" hydrogen car. Thought?

 JB>>> Ultimately the way to go for the next 50 or so years but right now
 JB>>> hydrogen is too expensive to manufacture.  Like ethanol, it takes
 JH> more
 JB>>> energy to create than it provides for transportation.  Until that is
 JB>>> resolved, none of these alternative fuel sources will be a benefit.
 MG>> Mass
 JB>>> production of hydrogen or ethanol will drive up the usage of
 JB>>> electricity, which will drive up the burning of coal.  Remember, the
 JB>>> greenies don't want nuclear reactors, except in France, where 70%
 MG>> of the
 JB>>> electricity is generated using nuclear power.


 JB>>> Jeff

 MG>> As I said to John my interest isn't in cleaner air (although that
 MG>> wouldn't be a bad thing <g>) my interest is in getting the boots of
 JH> OPEC
 MG>> off our necks.


 JH> They aren't on our neck.  We get more than half our oil from other
 JH> sources than the Middle East, and we've just discovered a huge deposit
 JH> in the Gulf that some say is as big as Saudi Arabia's fields.  But, they
 JH> need us as much as we need them.  If they get too greedy and run the
 JH> price up beyond the ability of countries to pay, they will lose
 JH> customers.  They don't have the refinery capacity or the storage
 JH> capacity to go without selling their oil for very long.

Unfortunately they are on our allies and trading partners. Japan gets 90% of
its oil from them and until recently Europe got 80% of their oil from them.
They are trying to shift to Russia now, but they are not able to deliver
dependable oil supplies.

If things get bad enough for our allies, it will affect us in many ways.

But I agree, they can only raise the price so high, but how high is high?

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