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Skriven 2004-11-26 07:49:04 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 5357 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
Ärende: Word From the Front
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26 Nov 04 08:29, Björn Forsström wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:

 TR>>> What about the tens of thousands found in mass graves, who were 
 TR>>> murdered by the Saddam Hussein regime?
 TR>>> What about the gassings of Hussein's own people?
 TR>>> What about the more than three thousand dead Americans in one 
 TR>>> single day, by a terrorist attack?
 BF>>>I have never said that this was OK, have I?

 TR>> "The whole world" has acted as though it was ok. "The whole world" 
 TR>> has pissed and moaned about our reaction to it.

 BF> No one have *ever* acted as though it was OK.

 TR>> America pulled "the whole world" out of two world wars in the last
 TR>> century, and is now engaged in fighting a war against the bomb 
 TR>> setting, Molotov cocktail tossing crowd.

 BF> As I said, let's leave WWII behind us, it's got nothing to do with 
 BF> what's going on now and the war in Iraq you took on yourself and not 
 BF> listen to the UN.

No, you can't have it both ways.  WWII is relevant because it led to the US
becoming the No. 1 Superpower in the world, and you seem to want to blame much
of what happens in the world today on the fact that we are a superpower.  You
give the impression that our mere existence is what causes people to hate
us.dddddd

 TR>>> Americans aren't afraid to fight back. Most of the Americans you 
 TR>>> are posting to in this forum, have been in wars in American 
 TR>>> military uniforms and already know what war is.

 BF>>>And that give them the right to rule over death and life?

 TR>> It gives us the right to defend ourselves. It gives us the right 
 TR>> to fight back. We are going after the terrorists wherever they are. 
 TR>> Why that makes "the world" feel so threatened is a mystery.

 BF> Then you should do it for the right reason and attack the right 
 BF> country and go find bin Laden instead. What we can see now is that you 
 BF> attacked Iraq because they had WMD:s and those you are fighting are 
 BF> Jordanians.....

If you continue to believe the anti-American media bullshit, then there is
nothing to talk about.  WMDs was only a small part of why we went into Iraq.
Everybody tries to say there is no connection between Saddam/Iraq and al-Queda,
yet as time goes by, more and more evidence is piled up that shows they were
indeed connected on many levels.  You also don't seem to get it that it doesn't
matter what nationality the terrorists are.  We said we would hunt them down no
matter where they were or what country they came from, and that any country
that gave them aid or safe haven would get the same treatment they get.  There
was not then and has not been now, any specific mention of any particular
country.

You had better get onto the internet and do some serious searching for facts. 
You have no idea how little of what you have said here is accurate.

 TR>> It is now coming out that many of the individual countries, and
 TR>> individuals in the United Nations, have good and solid reasons why 
 TR>> they do not want the apple cart upset. Its becoming clear that many 
 TR>> of them were involved in enriching themselves with the `oil for 
 TR>> food' setup with Iraq. In fact, its coming out that the head man in 
 TR>> the UN, Kofi Annan himself, got rich off of it. Its beginning to 
 TR>> smell like many of them don't want any of this to come out.

 BF> And if we should believe Michael Moore it's the same thing with Bush and 
 BF> his administration. It's billion and billions of dollars involved in 
 BF> this.

Michael Moore is an idiot, a liar, and a pig.  There is a documented list of
over 50 major discrepancies found in that "documentary" of his.  He is a
left-wing socialist who hates George Bush.  He could no more make a fair and
open-minded movie about Bush than I go to the moon without a spaceship.

 TR>>> We are carrying the war to the enemy. The rest of the world 
 TR>>> doesn't like that. Tough smorgasborg! We don't care about the rest 
 TR>>> of the world's opinions when it comes to winning a war.

 BF>>>So noted on film.

 BF>>> TR> "Film" not needed. You have the solid word of `this' American 
 BF>>> TR> (me) that I don't give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks 
 TR>> about what we are doing.

 BF> See, you can't really let this thing go. You have to meantion it 
 BF> all time. Must be someting psycological....

 TR>> If the truth be known, if it weren't for America, many of the 
 TR>> nations in your area of the world would either be greeting each 
 TR>> other with `Seig Heil!', goose stepping to and from your work 
 TR>> assignments, and living in fear of the Gestapo, or addressing each 
 TR>> other as "comrade", hurrying to and from your work assignments, and 
 TR>> living in fear of the KGB.

 BF> If what you say would have happend, Europe, Russia, Asia and the 
 BF> rest of the world would have become so powerful so they would have wiped 
 BF> out USA in a week and that the Americans understood so they had to do 
 BF> something about it. So, you see that USA have never done anything that 
 BF> haven't suited themself, just like any other nation on this earth.
 BF> Everyone is always closest to himself.

Man, you have really bought into the anti-US propoganda, haven't you?

 TR>> So fuck the world.

 BF> With this attitude someone is always going to be pissed of at you 
 BF> and trying to do something about it. Unfortunatly it's the innocent and 
 BF> civilians in USA that pays the prize for it and as long as you are keeping

 BF> it up you will see even more attacks like 9/11.

Why the hell should we kiss everybody's ass just so we can be "liked" by the
rest of the world.  The rest of the world, historically speaking, has been
wallowing in corruption, slavery, and tyranny for thousands of years before the
US came along and came up with a better way of doing things.  We are unique in
human history as far as nation-states go, and the rest of the world just can't
stand the fact that we threw off the yoke of imperial oppression.  


Maybe its because none of the rest of you seem to have the balls to do the same
thing, maybe its just inertia.  I don't know.  But one thing I do know is that
you Europeans are in too many cases a bunch of ingrates.  You come begging for
our help when the big bad wolf comes along and tries to eat you, and after
we've saved your butts you don't even have the decency to say thank you and
mean it.  You want all the high tech improvements we come up with that make
life easier, but you don't want to pay your fair share for the cost of it, and
then bitch because your country is getting too Americanized.

America is not perfect - not as a nation and not as individuals.  But we try
not to make things worse.  We are a generous people, and have freely given of
our wealth, our food, our technology, and our blood to help people around the
world, and all we get for it is abuse, disrespect, and hatred.

We ought to let the whole damn bunch of you go to hell in a handbasket.

Now, you don't like my attitude much, do you?  Tough.  It is incumbent on YOU
to show me why I should NOT have such an attitude.  Prove to me that someone
out there across the ocean isn't just another jealous, brain-washed
anti-American.  Convince me why we shouldn't just write all of you off as a
waste of humanity.

John 

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