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Skriven 2004-11-26 16:49:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av FRANK SCHEIDT
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Hello Frank,

>JH>Stan's right.  Trying to talk to you is
>JH>a goddamn waste of time and effort.
>LL>Try debating the issues, rather than massaging
>LL>your own ego.  Stan should try to do the same.
>LL>Let's try it from the top.
>LL>One more time.
>JH>Yeah, let's.
>LL>If an American soldier shoots an unarmed prisoner,
>LL>in cold blood, that is a war crime.  As such, should
>LL>that American soldier be prosecuted?  Yes, or no?
>JH>There were no unarmed prisoners, Lee.
>LL>The prisoner who was killed/murdered/executed by one
>LL>of our soldiers was unarmed.
>FS>Who was that, Lee?  And why wasn't it in the news??
>LL>Some dude with a very strange name...

FS>That would not cause our "news"media to fail to report it.

Fox News rarely, if ever, reports news that is factual.

>JH>If you say there were, you're a damn liar.
>LL>It was all caught on camera, and shown to the world.
>FS>When?  Where?  Why didn't the newsmedia report that crime??
>LL>The incident occurred in a mosque in Iraq.  The news media reported
>LL>the incident, showing video of what happened.

FS>Do you mean that Marine who killed the insurgent whom he feared
FS>was about to try to kill him?

The American soldier in question was a sissy if he "feared" an unarmed
prisoner was about to try to kill him.

>JH>Therefore, that Marine couldn't have shot one.
>LL>But he did.
>FS>Where?  Who?
>LL>Do your own homework.

FS>Not necessary as it's *you* who are trying to convince *me* a
FS>crime was committed.  I have no particular interest in trying to
FS>convince *you* otherwise.

Sticking your head in the stand, pretending atrocities are not
committed by American soldiers, is no excuse.

>LL>You know, as well as I, that American soldiers are not
>LL>trained to kill unarmed prisoners.  You know, as well as
>LL>I, that American soldiers who commit such war crimes can
>LL>be prosecuted.
>LL>My position is that American soldiers who commit such war
>LL>crimes should be prosecuted.  Now what is your position?
>JH>Your position is that you get a warm fuzzy knot in your gut whenever
>JH>you think an American soldier has committed some kind of war crime or
>JH>atrocity.
>LL>I am deeply saddened whenever I learn that one of our guys has
>LL>committed a war crime, or any other atrocity.
>FS>So would *I*, Lee.  Where did this take place?  Are you talking
>FS>about the war crime in WWII, the bombing of Dresden?

>LL>Although I agree that the Allied bombing of Dresden was a war crime,
>LL>we are talking about a recent event in Iraq in which an unarmed
>LL>prisoner was executed by an American marine.

FS>It took place sixty years ago, true, but OTOH that *was* a war
FS>crime on a massive scale.  The defensive shooting by that Marine
FS>was not a crime of any sort.

Executing unarmed prisoners is a war crime.

>JH>Your "position" hasn't got a goddamn thing to do with the actual
>JH>facts of this mosque thing, and you know it.
>LL>An American soldier was caught on camera committing a war crime.
>FS>Where?  You still haven't said WHERE!!
>LL>In a mosque in Iraq.

FS>Not what was shown in the news.

Fox News rarely, if ever, reports news that is factual.

>JH>When you HAVE an actual position based on real world facts, maybe
>JH>then we'll think about having a discussion.
>LL>Cameras do not lie.
>FS>... [snicker] ... 'scuse me ...
>LL>Yeah.  The incident makes me want to puke, too.

FS>You must have a very delicate stomach, Lee ...

Only when American soldiers commit atrocities and/or war crimes.

>JH>I won't hold my freakin' breath.
>LL>If an Iraqi soldier had been caught on camera committing a war crime,
>LL>you'd want that soldier executed.  Preferably without a trial.
>FS>And he'd deserve it!
>LL>Why would an unarmed prisoner deserve to be executed, without a trial?

FS>If he committed a war crime -- as you've specified -- he'd be
FS>deserving of death.  Why waste time and energy in a trial when it
FS>has been SPECIFIED that he had committed a war crime?

The American soldier who committed that war crime should be prosecuted.
However, no individual is deserving of the death penalty.  Even those
individuals who have committed war crimes.

>LL>However, if an American soldier gets caught on camera committing a war
>LL>crime, you'd want to give that soldier a pass, as well as a pat on the
>LL>back.
>FS>Not so.  Fortunately no American soldier has committed a war
>FS>crime during the current "war" ...
>LL>Several American soldiers committed war crimes at Abu Ghraib.
>LL>The recent incident in Iraq is simply another war crime.  A war
>LL>crime in which an unarmed prisoner was murdered, without just
>LL>reason or cause.

FS>At least one of those soldiers has been convicted and others will
FS>be put on trial.

There was only one American soldier who executed the unarmed prisoner.
To date, that American soldier has not been prosecuted or convicted.

--Lee


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