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Skriven 2004-12-02 08:45:56 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
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 VH> You fail to see the connection between cowardice and trading with the
 VH> Nazis and other dictators?

If you are reffering to WWII (as usual) I wasn't even born so what could I
have done?
At that time, Sweden didn't have any defence at all so what could they
have done besides beeing cannon fodder? And for what purpose?

 VH> You fail to see the connection between
 VH> cowardice and sitting by while masses of people are driven from their
 VH> homes, brutalized and murdered -- right there in Europe?

When you mention it. Isn't that exactly what your friends, the Israelinas do?
Drive people from their homes......?
Ohhh nonono, they are cleanig up from arabs from the other side.

BF>> VH> Yes.  Also in Egypt, Syria, and a few other countries int this region.

BF>>And when was that and whom did you fight against?

You didn't answer this.

BF>>I have been to Bulgaria, Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Germany, Belgium,
BF>>Holland, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Luxemburg, Czech Republic, England,
BF>> Scotland, Finland and Russia but still haven't killed a single soul.

 VH> And not helped anyone, either.

Not apart from spending my money....

BF>> VH>         1.  You don't know what you're talking about.

BF>>But I'm pretty sure thet you do, or am I?

 VH> Yes, I do -- I have long experience in this particular issue, combat.

Somehow it seems that you are very proud of having killed other humans.

BF>> VH>         2.  You have done nothing to contribute to a solution.

BF>>Not personally no, but Sweden have.

 VH> Like what? Sitting on your butts?  Trading with dictators, in violation of
 VH> UN rules, and helping him brutalize his people?

You have no idea of what Sweden have done, have you?
And your invation of Iraq was according to UN rules?

BF>> VH>         3.  You are guided by prejudice.

BF>>And I'm pretty sure that you aren't, or am I?

 VH> Having more knowledge and experience, I am in a better position to be
 VH> objective than you are.

I fail to see your objectivity.

BF>> VH> No?  How long will Sweden be free of terrorism if it succeeds in VH>
BF>> overrunning the rest of Europe?

BF>>I don't know since we dont' have any known enemy.

 VH> Well, you'll have one soon if we fail.

Time wil tell.

BF>>So just because I haven't been in combat tell you I'm a real idiot?

 VH> No, it's your pontification on matters where you have no knowledge or
 VH> experience that tells me what you are.

Isn't it then so good we have access to an expert.

BF>>In "real" combat, yes. But not while entering a room whitch is only
BF>>occupied by wounded prisoners.

 VH> That IS real combat -- but not having any experience, you wouldn't
 VH> understand that, would you?

Nope.

BF>>Can we add "patience" to that?

 VH> No.  You don't shoot because you're impatient -- you shoot because your
 VH> life is threatened.

That's understandable but here it wasn't.

 VH> Well, when you lay YOUR life on the line, you can make that decision. But
 VH> be a sport and tell the men around you, so they don't die because of your
 VH> mistaken approach to the issue.

I will.

BF>> VH> In combat, your life can be snuffed out in the snap of a finger.  A
BF>> sim VH> mistake -- simply craning your head too far forward, or stepping
BF>> over a VH> "dead" man (as I did once) can end your life before you know
BF>> what VH> happened.

BF>>Obviously you made it and in combat I guess thing like this can happend and
BF>>a war isn't the most healthy to place to be in.

 VH> Now you begin to understand.

What did you do to survive?

BF>>If you say that there are no other option then to shoot, I'm sure that this
BF>>wasn't
BF>>the last time we did see something like that.
BF>>And what is then going on that we don't have a Clue<tm> about.

 VH> YOU may not have a clue (but we know that.)  Others with experience know
 VH> a bit more.

So you know hat this is going on all over Iraq?

BF>> VH> I am one of our soldiers.  I served for 22 years, and as a retired VH>
BF>> regular, remain on the rolls of the United States Army.

BF>>And that makes you a mind reader......?

 VH> No, it makes me a man with experience and training.  It makes me a man
 VH> with something more than mere imagination when it comes to interpreting
 VH> events.

You are a real Superman, aren't you?

BF>> VH> Then where do you get the authority to tell us what men in combat
BF>> shoul VH> do?

BF>>You must at least be able to ask yourself: Did I do the right thing here or
BF>>could
BF>>I have something else to spare that humans life?
BF>>You make it as easy as killing flies.

 VH> Again, you've never been in combat, have you?

If you haven't got that yet, what's the point of this discussion?

BF>> VH> He only needs a reasonable suspicion -- he isn't required to put the
BF>> li VH> of a war criminal above his own.

BF>>Then the word "patience" comes to mind.

 VH> No, the phrase "I'm about to die" comes to mind.

Then he isn't well-trained.

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