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Skriven 2004-12-03 11:12:03 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 5582 av VERN HUMPHREY (1:123/140)
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BF>>If you are reffering to WWII (as usual) I wasn't even born so what could I
BF>>have done?

 VH> You follow in the tradition of trading with, rather than combating evil.

And you follow the tradition of interfering in other countries internal
affairs.

BF>>At that time, Sweden didn't have any defence at all so what could they have
BF>>done besides beeing cannon fodder? And for what purpose?

 VH> What defense did Poland, or Norway have?

None, and look what happend.
I have no Clue<tm> about why Hitler didn't invade Sweden but he didn't invade
Schwitzerland either.

BF>>When you mention it. Isn't that exactly what your friends, the Israelinas
BF>>do Drive people from their homes......?
BF>>Ohhh nonono, they are cleanig up from arabs from the other side.

 VH> And the Israelis are YOUR enemies?

No, but not even the Arabs are.

 VH> Tell me, if you see it that way, what are you doing to help the Arabs?

I don't see it that way.

 VH> I fought against the North Vietnamese, and had one little shooting scrape
 VH> with the North Koreans.  But I have extensive experience in the Middle
 VH> East.

As what? Ambassador?

BF>>BF>>I have been to Bulgaria, Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Germany,
BF>>Belgium BF>>Holland, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Luxemburg, Czech Republic,
BF>>England, BF>> Scotland, Finland and Russia but still haven't killed a
BF>>single soul.

BF>> VH> And not helped anyone, either.

BF>>Not apart from spending my money....

 VH> That's about it.  You do nothing, and blackguard those who really help.

What else can I do? Shoot them?

BF>> VH> Yes, I do -- I have long experience in this particular issue, combat.

BF>>Somehow it seems that you are very proud of having killed other humans.

 VH> Clearly you don't understand combat.

I do undersatand that people get killed.

BF>> VH> Like what? Sitting on your butts?  Trading with dictators, in
BF>> violation VH> UN rules, and helping him brutalize his people?

BF>>You have no idea of what Sweden have done, have you?

 VH> You tell me -- what Sweden have done? :-)

 VH> Nothing.

I give up. You just don't want to know.

 VH> Swedish troops didn't rush to the defense of Norway when she was attacked
 VH> by Germany.

Neither was Switzerland, South Africa, Chile, Argentina, Brasil, Bolivia or
Colombia
aso. so what's your point?

 VH> Swedish troops didn't land in Normandy, or at Inchon.

See above.

 VH> Swedish engineers didn't battle a rising river to get into the Former
 VH> Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing.

See above.

 VH> Sweden sits around and drinks coffee while other nations do the real work.

See above.

BF>>And your invation of Iraq was according to UN rules?

 VH> We don't need a permission slip from the crooks who were taking money from
 VH> Saddam Hussain under the table.

The problem is that you don't need a permission from anyone to do what you do.

BF>> VH> Having more knowledge and experience, I am in a better position to be
BF>> VH> objective than you are.

BF>>I fail to see your objectivity.

 VH> You fail to see a lot of things, primarily because you are unable to make
 VH> sense of the world through the basis of experience.

Yuo do it from the experience of what is good for USA.

BF>> VH> No, it's your pontification on matters where you have no knowledge or
BF>> VH> experience that tells me what you are.

BF>>Isn't it then so good we have access to an expert.

 VH> It would be better if "we" were not such know-it-alls and were willing to
 VH> discuss matters objectively, without prejudice.

That did come from the right mouth.

BF>>BF>>Can we add "patience" to that?

BF>> VH> No.  You don't shoot because you're impatient -- you shoot because
BF>> your VH> life is threatened.

BF>>That's understandable but here it wasn't.

 VH> And you know that, how?

From the film I saw.

 VH> In combat, you act on what evidence you have in front of you.  And this
 VH> Marine saw what appeared to be a man faking death.  Given that other
 VH> Marines had been killed by people doing exactly that -- and that he had a
 VH> very limited time to save his own life, he acted.

"And this Marine saw what -appeared- to be a man faking death"

 VH> I know the enemy has a policy of committing war crimes, including
 VH> treacherously asking for quarter (faking surrender), boobytrapping
 VH> corpses, and committing suicide attacks -- often by wounded men who call
 VH> out for a doctor, then detonate a bomb or grenade to kill those who come
 VH> to aid them.

It's their way of fighting. They don't have any Smart Bombs, helicpoters or
Thomahawks.

BF>> VH> No, it makes me a man with experience and training.  It makes me a man
BF>> VH> with something more than mere imagination when it comes to
BF>> interpreting VH> events.

BF>>You are a real Superman, aren't you?

 VH> I am a man who has been there and done that, as opposed to one who only
 VH> imagines what combat is like, and wants to preach to others about it.

I'm not preaching, just trying to see it from another angle.

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