Text 7469, 135 rader
Skriven 2005-01-16 11:51:14 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 7418 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
Ärende: The CIA torture plane
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 BF>> I would even believe it if it was pro-American but nothing much is. And
 BF>> when you finally does something good as sending the Navy to Thailand,
 BF>> they don't deserve it....... That's what I call building bridges between
 BF>> countries...eh?

 JH> They don't.

Why the hell is it then so important for you to free a whole country filled
with
terrorists? And a new CIA report said that it's even more terrorists there now
then ever before.

 JH> It takes a heap of gall to stand there and take our aid and
 JH> our assistance - which was freely given mind you - and then bitch because
 JH> it was delivered by Marines who were armed.  What the hell is the matter
 JH> with them?  Do they think the Marines are going to take over their piss
 JH> ant country?

Can they have Iraq in mind?

 BF>>>> Btw. I saw a documentary on History Channel the other day. Made by both
 BF>>>> the English and the Americans about why America joined WWII.

 EH>>> The History Channel isn't the perveyer of truth. I have seen several
 EH>>> shows that are not accurate.

But the video from Malaysia when the people cheered after 9/11 is accurate?
It must be since it's been showed on American TV.
You know, I can take my videocamera and film a crowd of 5,000 Swedes when we
scores against England in soccer and say that this is how we reacted 9/11 and
you would believe it!!!!

 BF>> And you know this because........you were at the scene when it happend?

 JH> We know this because we pay attention, and we have other sources to verify
 JH> facts.  In any case, it wasn't as much the History Channel that made the
 JH> error as it was whatever independent documentary filmmaker made the error.
 JH> The HC puts out bids for films and the independent producers and
 JH> documentarians make them and then sell them to the HC.  Same way Sears
 JH> gets their appliances to sell.  The point however, is that we don't just
 JH> take everything at face value.

But you did believe that video from Malaysia. Have you verified that it not was
taken during gunthreat? Have you verified that all of the Malaysian people
think
bad of USA? Have you verified anything? Where you at the scen when it happend?
Think about if it was a video made by a pro-American that wanted you to see
what
you WANT to see.
If that's how it works with HC, why couldn't this happend with the video from
Malaysia?


 JH> Same reason anybody lies.  They have an agenda that they think supercedes
 JH> the truth, that justifies telling the lie.

The same as with N379P?

 BF>>>> FDR didn't even respond to Japan and that pissed them off so they
 BF>>>> atacked Pearl Harbour. The day after the attack when Hitler heard about
 BF>>>> it HE declared war against USA.

 JH> As I told you, FDR tried to provoke a Japanese attack for two years prior
 JH> to Pearl Harbor.  That's documented in a number of books.  They finally
 JH> did attack, but not where we wanted or expected them to.

Why would he provoke a attack from Japan?
Just so he would have an excuse to invade like what happend in Iraq?
If that's the case, why are you whining?

 EH>>> Balony! Gremany and Japan had an agreement long before Japan attacked
 EH>>> Pearl. Germany declared war on the US because they and Japan had a pact
 EH>>> that if the US attacked either one the other would declare war. Germany
 EH>>> used Japan's attack as a sign that the US would soon be participating in
 EH>>> the European front.

 BF>> And how do you prove that?

 JH> Because its documented history, you idiot.

And when I say it's documented that N379P was here picking up Egyptians and
flew
them to Egypt you don't believe it.
I must say that you are having a wierd way of believing things but I didn't
expect
anything else from you.
It's the American way and screw the rest.

 BF>>>> This totally changes the version you have been given me that USA came
 BF>>>> running to help Europe. Of course you did, Hitler had decleared war to
 BF>>>> USA.

 JH> We can't help that your understanding of history is flawed.

We can't help that your understanding of the truth is flawed.

 JH> Not in any action?  How about all the US merchant marine sailors lost on
 JH> convoy duty prior to Germany declaring war?  How about the Americans who
 JH> volunteered in the Canadian fighter squadrons and went to England to fight
 JH> the Germans?  How about the guys who joined the RAF in England?  What
 JH> about the Flying Tigers with Chenault in China?  America was in the war
 JH> long before it was official - long before the diplomats broke off their
 JH> talks.

We also have people that like to kill and be in action. Some Swedes have been
fighting in Kosovo and in Serbia but they haven't done it for the Swedish
gummint.
They like to see themself as freedom fighters as well.

 BF>> But what you say is always the truth?

 JH> We don't lie, Bjorn.  At least not the group here you're talking about.

And I don't lie either but that doesn't cout.

 JH> We have nothing to gain by lying to you or anybody else.  On the other
 JH> hand, you have a lot to gain by using what we tell you to counteract the
 JH> garbage and hatred and anti-American propogands that you have been fed for
 JH> years in Europe.

You also have a lot to gain by listen to others and not just accuse them of
beeing
anti-American.
America have dona a lot of good things but also a few things that isn't so
good.
Just as it is in every country on this earth. It's just a matter of beeing able
to see
the bad things as well as the good things like for example with N379P, the
Oliver
North buisness and what happend in Abu Greib where the Marine now have been
convicted. Shit happends so just accept it.

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