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Skriven 2005-01-17 21:46:07 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 7549 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
Ärende: Ww 2
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John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 JH> 16 Jan 05 01:59, Ed Hulett wrote to John Hull:

 JH>  John Hull ->> Gary Braswell wrote:
 JH>>> Gary Braswell -> George Lagergren wrote:
 GB>>>> George Lagergren -> John Hull wrote:

 GL>>>>> Quoting John Hull to Björn Forsström          202  01-14-05
 GL>>>>> 18:00

 JH>>>>>> What you saw you either totally misinterpreted or didn't
 JH>>>>>> understand. FDR was not against getting into the war at all.  He
 JH>>>>>> knew it was ineveitable. Our Congress was against going to war.
 JH>>>>>> Roosevelt got around that to some  extent by providing US ships
 JH>>>>>> for convoys to
 JH>>> keep
 JH>>>>>> England from falling to Germany.  So, US troops were actually
 JH>>>>>> in combat well before we were officially at war.  With respect
 JH>>>>>> to Japan, FDR had been trying to provoke the Japanese into
 JH>>>>>> something he could use to declare war on them for nearly
 JH>>>>>> two years prior to Pearl Harbor.  Why?  Because he knew was

 GL>>>>>     In 1940, a Naval intelligence officer wrote a 8-point memo
 GL>>>>>     to FDR to how to goat Japan into attacking the USA.
 GL>>>>> Suggesting    things like refusing to sell scrap iron to Japan,
 GL>>>>> cutting off    the oil supply to Japan, etc.

 GB>>>> The memo was not on how to goad the Japanese into war. It was a
 JH>>> memo on
 GB>>>> what grounds Japan would likely go to war since we were already
 JH>>> opposing
 GB>>>> their invasion and mass-murders of Chinese. Our refusal to sell
 GB>>>> oil
 JH>>> and
 GB>>>> other materials to them so they could fuel their continued
 GB>>>> incursion into China caused them to join the Axis and attack us.
 GB>>>> We were Japan's number one supplier of oil and other materials
 GB>>>> essential for their war on China.

 JH>>> I think you are correct.  With regard to what I said that prompted
 JH>>> his reply, I've got a book by an acknowledged expert on the
 JH>>> Japanese war and Pearl Harbor that lays out in great detail the
 JH>>> efforts FDR went to trying to provoke the Japs to attack us in the
 JH>>> South China Sea area and/or the Philippines, so that he could
 JH>>> legitimately force Congress to declare war on Japan, and enable us
 JH>>> to enter the war on our terms.


 GL>>>>>     In ref to Germany, an USA intelligence team wrote a (phony)
 GL>>>>> memo    which said FDR would go to war against Germany without
 GL>>>>> involving    Congress.  That memo reached Hilter on December 3,
 GL>>>>> 1941.    Japan attacked the USA on Dec. 7th.  Germany declared
 GL>>>>> war on    the USA on Dec. 11th.

 GB>>>> This is a new one on me. Any references on this so I can check it
 GB>>>> out?

 JH>>> Me, too.  It is my understanding that we knew about the pact
 JH>>> between Germany and Japan courtesy of Brit intelligence.  Hitler
 JH>>> didn't really want to take us on at all, and only did so because he
 JH>>> hoped to take advantage of the damage Japan did to our fleet at
 JH>>> Pearl Harbor.  He figured that and turning the U-boat wolfpacks
 JH>>> loose on American shipping would keep us reeling long enough for
 JH>>> him to finish off England and consolidate things on the eastern
 JH>>> front.  If that had happened, we would never have been able to pull
 JH>>> off D-Day, OR to use England as a bomber base to rain destruction
 JH>>> on Deutschland.

 EH>> George got it from drinking magnetized water. ;-)

 JH> You mean that doesn't help?!?  I thought that helped flush all those
 JH> pesky free radicals from your system.  You just can't believe anything
 JH> you hear these days!

Heh heh... I think George got the polarity wrong. He appears to have his head
where his hind end should be.

Ed

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