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Skriven 2005-01-25 14:26:00 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: Re: Believing
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On 01-25-05, John Hull said...
 
JH> 24 Jan 05 23:35, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:
JH>  DP> Ok.  That's all well and good, John, but it's not solely a 'DNC' 
JH>  DP> phenomenon. If what you are saying that the Dems pioneered, then the 
JH>  DP> took the ball and ran with it.  NPR was reporting that anybody that h
JH>  DP> even the slightest bit of paraphanalia that opposed GWB, they were no
JH>  DP> permitted from attending any of the local whistle-stop gatherings for
JH>  DP> Bush.  As you know, many of the campaign layovers occured virtually n
JH>  DP> door to one another as the weeks wore on.  Many locals could in fact 
JH>  DP> both candidates in person.  They were reporting that if somebody had 
JH>  DP> attended a Kerry gathering and was wearing a Kerry shirt, or even an 
JH>  DP> Clinton sticker on their car, then they were barred from access.
JH> 
JH> That's a lot of media BS.  I attended some of those rallies, and so did ma
JH> of the people in this echo.  I never saw any such blatant behavior, and I 
JH> they didn't either.  MOST of the carping about being turned away is coming
JH> from people who didn't want to follow the security control procedures set 
JH> to protect the president from the numerous threats he received.  The Secre
JH> Service was taking no chances at all, and anybody that even looked crossey
JH> at Bush was gathered up and checked out - just as they should be.  That is
JH> their job, but you'd never know that if you relied on the media to tell yo
JH> about it.

Being that I live in the Great State of Texas, which was not one of the
battle ground states, I did not have a lot of chances, if any to be able to
see either of the candidates in person like you were so lucky to have done. 
However, my only other option was to rely on the media to find out what it
was like.  While they showed alot of stuff from both camps, the overwelming
majority of items coming from the RNC camp was the same stuff that you can
find on their website.  That's the point I'm trying to make.  While you can
argue up and down and six ways of sunday the the Dems feed talking points to
their constituants, it is clearly apparent that the RNC does that as well.

JH>  DP> They would go on to have soundbytes of many of the attendees of 
JH>  DP> these gatherings and it was all the same thing.  "Kerry's a 
JH>  DP> flip-flopper", "Kerry is a tax and spend liberal", "Kerry is soft on 
JH>  DP> defense".
JH> 
JH> He WAS a flip-flopper.  His record proved it.  His own campaign staff has 
JH> admitted it since the election.  "Tax and spend liberal" is campaign rheto
JH> nothing more.  However, it hardly compares to the Dems calling Republicans
JH> "right wing radicals" as if we were Marxists or something.  And, finally, 
JH> Kerry WAS soft on defense, and his voting record in the senate proves it, 
JH> to mention some of the things he said during the campaign.

Kerry's record was given a deliberate spin by the RNC in order to justify the
labels given to him.  I don't believe that the Republicans calling Dems
'leftists' or liberals or left-wing liberals is any kinder, yet it happens
quite often, in here and other places.

JH>  JH>>  DP> into the ideas thrown around here by many conservatives.  
JH>  JH>>  DP> What I can' abide by is liars and deception, and spin.  The 
JH>  JH>>  DP> media and the RNC and it's members are highly skilled at all th
JH> 
JH>  JH>>  DP> It is for this reason that can't abide by GWB, because he seems
JH>  JH>>  DP> me to embody all those traits
JH>  JH>> 
JH>  JH>> There have been a number of books written by prominent 
JH>  JH>> journalists, most o whom are liberals and/or Democrats detailing 
JH>  JH>> the bias toward the left in t major media outlets.  A study done 
JH>  JH>> right after the 2nd Clinton election fo that 90% of reporters are 
JH>  JH>> left leaning.  That hasn't changed one bit, and anything, its 
JH>  JH>> worse today.  There has been a lot of discussion about it th last 
JH>  JH>> cycle - how can you have missed it?
JH> 
JH>  DP> Prolly because every time I turned on the news I saw Bush citing 
JH>  DP> the same old RNC talking points that I had heard the day before.  The
JH> news 
JH>  DP> kept giving that same stuff the air time.  I watched and kept track, 
JH>  DP> noticed that Bush was getting far and away the most air time.  I hear
JH> 
JH>  DP> from morning zoo radio shows, and afternoon DJ's.  With that kind of 
JH>  DP> coverage, it's hard for me to believe that the media is 'left leaning
JH> 
JH> What you saw was Bush and his people staying on message and talking about 
JH> issues, articulating what Bush wanted to accomplish in the next four years

No; it was like those morning zoo's and the DJ's were plugged in to the RNC
mothership.  You can't have it both ways.  You can't say that the DNC feeds
talking points to it's people without opening yourself up to the fact that
the RNC does exactly what you say the DNC does.

JH> On the major TV networks, Kerry got the most face time, except for FoxNews
JH> which was pretty evenly divided.  Toward the end, however, the media sort 
JH> turned on Kerry and began to question some of what he was saying, but that
JH> Kerry's own fault - another thing that his people have admitted after the 
JH> fact.  The media has it own agenda which coincides most of the time with t
JH> left as far as ideology goes, but like sharks, if they sense blood in the 
JH> water they will turn on their own in a microsecond.  Kerry shot himself in
JH> foot numerous times during the campaign, and that is what the press reacte
JH> to.

JH>  JH>> There's a big difference between talking about the issues, and 
JH>  JH>> telling som the most scurrilous lies I've ever heard.  Remember 
JH>  JH>> when Gore's people put ads in Missouri and how the GOP was going to 
JH>  JH>> prevent blacks from voting?  
JH> 
JH>  DP> No.  I don't remember that.  I guess I wasn't plugged in to the 
JH>  DP> mother ship
JH>  DP> that day :)
JH> 
JH>  DP> I do remember however that there were radio ads from Charlton 
JH>  DP> Heston that
JH>  DP> if the Democrats won, they were going to take away our guns.  Is 
JH>  DP> that one of
JH>  DP> the lies you were talking about?
JH> 
JH> Do you deny that Sarah Brady, Charlie Schumer, Barbara Boxer and the rest 
JH> wouldn't happily get rid of all the guns if they could?  There is a ton of
JH> evidence proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that guns do NOT contribute to
JH> crime, and in fact do just the opposite - yet you still see prominent Dems
JH> blathering about gun control.  Bill Clinton even admitted that gun owning 
JH> Democrats helped defeat Democrats running for the House in 94.  That's the
JH> year they lost it by the way.  Before you go too far down this road, let m
JH> tell you that Charleton Heston is one of my heroes, that I am an Endowment
JH> Life member of the NRA, and that gun control issues bear heavily on who I 
JH> for in EVERY election.  I know from fighting this battle for 30 years that
JH> Dems would outlaw guns in a heartbeat if they could.

Dude.  You state on one hand that the Dems use fear tactics to get voters to
vote for them.  I cite to you a similar fear tactic that the Reps pulled,
and you get all defensive about it.  You don't hear me calling for gun
control or anything of the sort.  I only used that as an example of where
the RNC does in fact use fear tactics to get people to vote for them.

JH>  JH>> how about when the DNC put TV ads out saying that Republicans were 
JH>  JH>> going t keep seniors from getting their medicine and force them out 
JH>  JH>> of their homes
JH>  JH>> 
JH>  JH>> I'm not talking about the normal campaign rhetoric that both sides 
JH>  JH>> engage I'm talking about deliberate lies designed to literally 
JH>  JH>> scare the hell out voters.  Lies designed to make people so fearful 
JH>  JH>> of the other party they w completely ignore the fact that all the 
JH>  JH>> promises made to them are never ke and haven't been for decades.  I 
JH>  JH>> won't stand for that from my side, and I sure won't accept it from 
JH>  JH>> the left.
JH> 
JH>  DP> But that's exactly what Cheney did!!  He said that if Kerry were 
JH>  DP> to be elected, that we were sure to be attacked.  He retracted it a f
JH>  DP> days later but the effect was the same.  Tell me that that is not a l
JH>  DP> designed to make people fearful.
JH> 
JH> And he's right.  I believe that Kerry is so weak that it would've made us 
JH> prime target.

So while the Dems use fear tactics, the Reps tell only the truth?  A lot of
people, Dems included feel that Bush is a chickenhawk and that he's
deliberately or unwittingly putting us in harms way.  Regardless of whether
you feel he's right or not, it still is what it is; a fear tactic.

JH>  DP> The bottom line is that the 'liberals' or the Dems or the DNC do 
JH>  DP> not have a lock on feeding talking points to it's followers.  You say
JH> 
JH>  DP> won't stand that coming from your side, but I haven't seen you even 
JH>  DP> acknowledge that it does in fact happen, so that makes me somewhat 
JH>  DP> skeptical.  You say you don't give a damn about what the DNC has to s
JH>  DP> but I don't see hold the RNC up to the light and scrutinize it either
JH> 
JH> I am not on the list, by my choice, to receive email/fax/updates from the 
JH> and since I am a registered Republican, I don't such things from the Dems.

I'm not a registered Rep, yet I still got campaign mail from the RNC.  In
Texas, the voter registration does not collect party affiliation information.

JH> But, I do watch all the political news shows on TV on Sunday, and on the 
JH> internet.  As I said, MOST Republicans do not engage in the sort of behavi
JH> I'm talking about.  I know they get *accused of it* all the time, but that
JH> isn't the same thing, is it?  My Republican ideals I learned back in the d
JH> of Barry Goldwater and haven't much changed since then.  Like I said, I do
JH> always agree with the GOP, but I don't disagree much either.

I'm going to be up front here and say that I avoid the TV news programs with
a passion.  I rely on print media or radio only.  When I want information, I
go out an look for it; I don't allow myself to get bombarded with it.

Gryphon, aka Darryl Perry
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