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Skriven 2005-01-25 14:31:00 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: Re: fighting terrorism.
===============================
On 01-25-05, John Hull said...
 
JH> 24 Jan 05 23:50, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:
JH> 
JH>  DP> On 01-24-05, John Hull said...
JH> 
JH>  JH>> 24 Jan 05 11:57, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:
JH> 
JH>  JH>>  DP> Terrorists are like poisonous snakes.  The only way to deal 
JH>  JH>>  DP> with them is to cut off their tails.  To be most effective, 
JH>  JH>>  DP> you musth cut their tails right behind their heads :)  
JH>  JH>>  DP> However, for all intents and purposes, if you cut off the 
JH>  JH>>  DP> funding of the terrorists, and those who harbor terrorists, 
JH>  JH>>  DP> then that is much more effective.  The flow of mon
JH>  JH>>  DP> the life-blood of the torrorists.  The flow of oil is where 
JH>  JH>>  DP> the money comes from for the terrorists.  Cut off the flow of 
JH>  JH>>  DP> oil, and you cut the flow of money.
JH>  JH>> 
JH>  JH>> Actually, most of the money the terrorists get is from dope 
JH>  JH>> dealing and gu running, and to some extent kidnapping for ransom.  
JH>  JH>> Oil is not something y can just sell to anyone.  You have to have 
JH>  JH>> an infrastructure to get it out the ground, pump it, transport it 
JH>  JH>> to refineries, etc.  Terrorists simply aren't set up to do that 
JH>  JH>> sort of thing.  They get their funds by selling d to independant 
JH>  JH>> dealers/cartels a boatload at a time, or trading drugs for guns, 
JH>  JH>> etc.  And there are groups that collect money from people under 
JH>  JH>> fals pretenses that is then sent to terrorist groups.  There have 
JH>  JH>> been a number arab organizations here that have been busted as 
JH>  JH>> fronts for al Queda and b Laden.  
JH> 
JH>  DP> I've heard that poppy production is way up in Afghanistan now that 
JH>  DP> the Taliban are out of power.  Where is the funding for those crops 
JH>  DP> going?
JH> 
JH> There is damn little else they can grow that will give them the level of 
JH> profit they get from poppy production.  And they've been growing that stuf
JH> since long before we ever got there.  Until we, or somebody else, can 
JH> substitute something of equal value, it will continue.

So while dope dealing is one of the major fundings for the terrorists, it is
also the major funding for the common man in the gulf who has nothing to do
with terrorism?  Boy, damned if they do, and damned if they don't!

JH>  JH>> I agree that cutting off their funding is a key action to take, 
JH>  JH>> but having US stop buying mideast oil isn't going to accomplish 
JH>  JH>> that.  
JH> 
JH>  DP> There's more to it than that.  We have had a US presense in the 
JH>  DP> gulf for decades, if only to protect our interests there.  When I say
JH>  DP> interests, I mean oil flow.  Now I'm also quite aware that many US 
JH>  DP> companies make hefty profits by dealing with the oil market there in 
JH>  DP> way or another; not just by selling oil to US but to other buyers.  S
JH>  DP> it's not just that the US is buying foreign oil, but it 'invaded' the
JH> gulf 
JH>  DP> with oil companies, contractors, and the security forces, long before
JH>  DP> invaded Iraq.
JH> 
JH> We ensure the oil keeps flowing, yes.  But not just for us, its for the wh
JH> world.  Btw, US oil companies don't own any of those wells anymore because
JH> local governments long ago nationalized those wells.  The oil companies ma
JH> their money by contracting out to prospect for oil, by contracting to run 
JH> wells and distribution centers.

Of course.  I never said they owned the oilfields.  I only said that the US
and US companies had interests in those countries.  However, it amounts to
the same thing.

Gryphon, aka Darryl Perry
Sysop of Cyberia BBS, Kingwood, TX.
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