Text 8475, 134 rader
Skriven 2005-02-02 21:11:09 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 8436 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
Ärende: Re: Iraqi Vote
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02 Feb 05 14:54, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:

 DP> On 02-02-05, John Hull said...

 JH>> 02 Feb 05 08:56, Darryl Perry wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> On 02-02-05, TIM RICHARDSON said...
 JH>> 
 JH>>  TR>> On 02-01-05, STAN HARDEGREE said to ED CONNELL:
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> EC>>> Last, I salute the Iraqi people who turned out in such
 JH>>  TR>> EC>>> numbers despite the real threats from the scum who 
 JH>>  TR>> EC>>oppose > their freedom.
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> EC>>> SALUTE!
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> SH>> SALUTE!
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> SH>> And well said, sir!
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> EC> Thank you for that kindness - and one more opportunity 
 JH>>  TR>> EC> to give a SALUTE!
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> SH>The Iraqi people have created (or will create) a refuge 
 JH>>  TR>> SH>for people in t Middle East who wish to be free.  Their 
 JH>>  TR>> SH>courage has sent a message to o despot in the Middle East 
 JH>>  TR>> SH>that their days are numbered.
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> The Iraqis showed more guts on Sunday than many Americans 
 JH>>  TR>> display every fo years; they went out and voted.
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> I seem to recall hearing about people having to stand in 
 JH>>  TR>> long lines to vot in November.
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> Sunday, Iraqis *gladly* stood in long lines to cast their 
 JH>>  TR>> vote for the fir time in many decades.
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> 
 JH>>  TR>> Americans drive to a polling place, and then leave simply 
 JH>>  TR>> because the park lot is full. Iraqis were walking to polling 
 JH>>  TR>> places, being carried, wheeled there in wheel chairs, going 
 JH>>  TR>> on crutches.
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> You can quit all your crying an whining about the lack of 
 JH>>  DP> interest in voting
 JH>>  DP> Americans.  I have a lot of friends, co-workers, 
 JH>>  DP> aquaintences, etc, in more
 JH>>  DP> than just one state.   Each and every one of the people I 
 JH>>  DP> know, voted during
 JH>>  DP> this last election.  Even some of those people I know who 
 JH>>  DP> didn't vote
 JH>>  DP> in 2000.  Several people admitted to me that they had to way 
 JH>>  DP> over 30 minutes,
 JH>>  DP> and a few, like my wife, waited over 90 minutes.
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> You are not going to succeed in trying to make me feel like 
 JH>>  DP> America is
 JH>>  DP> apathetic to the voting process.  It just is not true, so 
 JH>>  DP> give it a rest.
 JH>> 
 JH>> America IS apathetic when it comes to doing its civil and 
 JH>> patriotic duty. This last election may have been the biggest ever 
 JH>> in terms of votes for president, but it still didn't beat what the 
 JH>> Iraqis did turnout wise.  I t its pretty damn pathetic when a 
 JH>> country like Iraq turns in a better percen of voters than the best 
 JH>> the US has ever done, and on their first time out the box!
 JH>> 
 JH>> And, it matters not one whit how many people you know who voted.  
 JH>> The numb is statistically insignificant.  I know more people who 
 JH>> DIDN'T vote than d Doesn't prove a thing either way in either 
 JH>> case.

 DP> It doesn't matter one whit what the NUMBERS state.  I went out and 
 DP> voted,
 DP> dammit.  Don't got telling me that I didn't or that I'm apathetic 
 DP> or lump me
 DP> in to those who the media say just don't care.  I am America just 
 DP> as You are
 DP> America, and I VOTED.  Are you saying that YOU did not vote?  Are 
 DP> you saying
 DP> that YOU were apathetic about the vote?  Cuz I sure am not.

 JH>>  DP> It's wonderful that the Iraqi's are able to vote.  We'll see 
 JH>>  DP> how it turns out.
 JH>> 
 JH>> Yeah, right.  We can all tell from your tone that you don't think 
 JH>> it WILL out for the better.  And when things get dicey, you'll 
 JH>> turn around and pos something saying "See, I told you so.  The 
 JH>> Iraqi vote was a waste of time. something along those lines.  And 
 JH>> if turns out to be a rousing success, we won't hear diddly from you 
 JH>> saying "good job" or something similar.

 DP> Bullsh1t!  I've never said othewise.  There's no place in this 
 DP> echo
 DP> where you can find that I ever said such a thing.  And don't go
 DP> "paraphrasing" me into words I didn't say.   Democracy (and the 
 DP> vote in
 DP> Iraq) is a wonderful thing.  However the ends doesn't always 
 DP> justify the
 DP> means.  Just because the Iraqi's are voting today doesn't mean 
 DP> that they
 DP> will be voting ever again.  We still have to wait and see.  I am 
 DP> certainly
 DP> skeptical of it, that's for sure.  They had 30 years of Saddam, if 
 DP> they
 DP> didn't have the backbone, the drive, the want and the need of 
 DP> getting rid of
 DP> him, then they wouldn't have waited until we came along and handed
 DP> freedom to them on a silver platter.  They've got to want it, 
 DP> collectively,
 DP> as a nation for it to make a difference how this vote ends up.  
 DP> Everybody's
 DP> patting themselves on the back about how they got to vote for the 
 DP> first time
 DP> ever.  Well lets just sit back and see what they actually voted 
 DP> FOR.

Do you have a problem understanding plain english?  You, me, Stan, and the rest
here are all part of a small minority who take an active interest in politics. 
We all voted.  Nobody said otherwise.  That does NOT CHANGE the fact that
American voters have been apathetic for decades, right up to and including this
last election.

John 

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