Text 8509, 64 rader
Skriven 2005-02-03 05:51:30 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 8495 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
Ärende: Re: Iraqi Vote
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02 Feb 05 23:04, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:

 DP> On 02-02-05, John Hull said...

 JH>> 02 Feb 05 12:54, Darryl Perry wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> On 02-02-05, TIM RICHARDSON said...
 JH>> 
 JH>>  TR>> This success for the citizens of Iraq spells the beginning 
 JH>>  TR>> of the end for Middle Eastern terrorists. Their days are 
 JH>>  TR>> numbered. I expect that soon the ordinary citizenship of 
 JH>>  TR>> Iraq and some other Mid-East countries will begin rise up 
 JH>>  TR>> against the criminal terrorists in their midst. Sunday in 
 JH>>  TR>> Iraq jus may have been the push that starts the boulder 
 JH>>  TR>> rolling down hill. Once it picks up momentum, nothing can 
 JH>>  TR>> stop it.
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> That will be something to see.  Do you think that the 
 JH>>  DP> ordinary citizenship of other middle-east countries will 
 JH>>  DP> begin to rise up befo or after the US comes in to topple the 
 JH>>  DP> existing goverment?
 JH>> 
 JH>> The people of Iran got a taste of western style freedom some years 
 JH>> ago und the Shah, and they want more of it today.  The blossoming 
 JH>> democracy in Ira will be like a bolt of lightning to those people.  
 JH>> They will realize that can have it too if they want it.

 DP> The people of Iran had more than just a taste of western style 
 DP> freedom some years ago.  They enjoyed it up until the militants took 66 
 DP> U.S. citizens hostage from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981 and placed

 DP> the Ayatolla Khomeini in to power, and they then enjoy much of what the 
 DP> taliban had to offer.  Has things changed overly much since then?

 JH>>  DP> Like the US, Democracy in Iraq, was formed at the point of a 
 JH>>  DP> knife. The difference between the US and Iraq is that 
 JH>>  DP> Americans pulle themselves up by their own bootstraps to fight 
 JH>>  DP> agains it's oppressors and to win it's freedem and indpendence.   
 JH>>  DP> Iraqis however cannot claim th same.
 JH>> 
 JH>> The US didn't have a murderous dictator literally killing his own 
 JH>> citizens contend with either.  While the Redcoats weren't exactly a
 JH>>  pushover, they basically the same people as we were.  It doesn't 
 JH>> matter HOW anyway.  What matters is that it DID, and the same thing 
 JH>> applies to Iraq.

 DP> I think the HOW does matter.  Nobody came and gave US democracy.  
 DP> We had to fight for it and hold it dear to us.  If they didn't fight for 
 DP> it in the past 30 years, how much do you think they will fight for it now?
 DP> Like I said, time will tell.

They didn't fight for it because they didn't have the means.  They were being
suppressed and brutalized by a vicious thug who murdered anyone who spoke out
or did anything he considered a threat.  That doesn't equate to OUR situation
at all.  The only thing you said that is correct is that they will have to
fight for it NOW, but they couldn't THEN.

John 

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