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Skriven 2009-03-14 21:48:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av John Fitzgerald
Ärende: OBAMA ANOTHER OIL MAN?
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JF>>   Once again guys, Bush didn't say anything
JF>>   Clinton Democrats didn't say  for eight years
JF>>   about Saddam and Iraq. ...

BK>>  We now know Bush knew better.

 JF>   Apparently you only think you know.  You can't prove it.
 JF>   Seems you can't even offer a viable explanation.  And I
 JF>   notice you haven't, once again.

 The inspectors were there, they were inspecting where and when
 they chose, and they were filing reports Bush had available.

 He would only not know if he *CHOSE* to not know.

 ...

JF>>    Milosevic was no threat to the US, had no WMD programs.
JF>>    And if you want to justify taking him out because of
JF>>    ethnic cleansing and atrocities against various peoples
JF>>    in the region then you are justifying taking Saddam out
JF>>    in the process, as he was guilty of same.

BK>>  No, not really. Saddam was only guilty of murder to protect his
BK>>  position. It was not genocide. And he was not even doing much of
BK>>  that, as he couldn't get at the Kurds, his primary target.

 JF>   "Only guilty of murder.."?    Saddam had a long history
 JF>   of killing Kurds, and many others and it only would have
 JF>   been a matter of time before he tried to do so again, and

 You could justify it on that basis, only if you want to extend
 it to all the others doing the same thing. Why didn't Bush
 invade Sudan? He could have ended all the atrocities in Darfor,
 and it would have been much easier than Iraq.

 ...

 JF>   any event, the case against Saddam doesn't rest on the
 JF>   Kurds, I was just pointing out that such actions were all
 JF>   Clinton needed to go after Milo'.

 And Clinton did not get us into a quagmire, with 4,000+ dead
 Americans, and hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.

 Bush did. And by diverting from Afghanistan he left us with a
 war there that threatens to take over Pakistan, and give the
 Taliban real nukes. Not pretend nuke that may or may not work
 someday, but real nukes that work now.

 JF>>     As for Obama in Iraq, yes, it would take months to pack
 JF>>     up and leave...not a year and a half.

BK>>    He's trying too hard to pacify the right.
BK>>    He should just work on getting out.

 JF>   He didn't seem too interested in pacifying the right when
 JF>   he chose to close Gitmo, when he lifted the ban on
 JF>   embryonic stemcell research, by appointing Hillary, of
 JF>   all people, as S.O.S..  No, he's staying in Iraq because

 Actually, appeasing the right on Iraq may be a tradeoff over the
 rest.

 Oh, and a whole lot of conservatives are in favor of embryonic
 stem cell research, and closing Gitmo. In fact, I would say all
 real conservatives are in favor of closing Gitmo.

 JF>   he was finally made aware of the realities that still
 JF>   loom in that country and the strategic advantage it gives
 JF>   us when we will have to deal with Iran in the very near
 JF>   future.  At least he gets it.

 If he stays in Iraq for strategic advantage he will bring more
 damage to this country and more corruption.

 Your entire concept of invading Iraq and staying there to use it
 against Iran is immoral.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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