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Skriven 2009-03-14 21:48:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av John Fitzgerald
Ärende: AFTER  8 YRS, STILL NO CL
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DC>>>>  The CIA told him there was no WMD.

JF>>>   The CIA said they couldn't find WMD.

BK>>>   They said no Nukes before the invasion.
BK>>>   Those are the only real WMDs.

 JF>>   In your opinion.  Clinton disagrees with you.  So does
 JF>>   David Kay, whose one line Democrats embraced but whose
 JF>>   many other accounts about Saddam they ignored.

 JF>>    CBW's are capable of killing many thousands of people at
 JF>>    one time. Such mass destruction of human life is mass
 JF>>    destruction.  All you are doing is trying to debunk the
 JF>>    arguments by changing the label.

BK>>   One CBW does not have that cabability in
BK>>   any size Iraq could deliver.

 JF>    All it would take to deliver it is a suitcase, or a
 JF>    vehicle, or an airplane, or placed aboard a commuter
 JF>    train headed into a city.

 And how big would it have to be to kill thousands of people?
 Remember, the Sarin Attacks have never killed more than a few.
 You can kill more with conventional explosives. OK city was a
 conventional explosive, but it killed more than any terrorist
 gas or bio attack that has happened anytime I know of. Probably
 more than were killed by all of them together. I suspect that
 one attack killed more Americans than all other terrorist
 attacks combined before 9-11.

BK>>   And anything that requires
BK>>   multiple weapons is not a  WMD.

 JF>   Again, a CBW deployed at the right time and place can take
 JF> out many thousands.

 First, talk about only chem weapons, since no terrorist is known
 to have a workable bio weapon, and even Saddam's were filled
 with inert anthrax. He didn't have them either. Chemical weapons
 are the only WMD type weapons that have been used by terrorists,
 and they haven't been very effective.

 Now, just how can any such weapon have that effect? A very
 large, truckload size, might, but how would someone carry it
 into the US? Saddam's toy remote controlled planes certainly
 couldn't.

 JF>  ...

DC>>>>  Cheney and Rumsfed cooked the intel for
DC>>>>  Bush's push for an illegal war.

JF>>>   Baloney.  There is nothing that even comes close to proof
JF>>>   of that. Just the same ol partisan speculation, all based

->>>  The very existance of Feith's intel agency inside the Pentagon
->>>  is the evidence you need. The Pentagon has an agency, the
->>>  Defense Intelligence agency. The fact that Feith's agency
->>>  submitted their reports without checking with the other agencies
->>>  is more evidence.

 JF>>   Evidence of what, that he "fixed" the data"?  That's
 JF>>   quite a stretch. It's like you're saying, some one is
 JF>>   guilty just because they are there.

BK>>   No, that's like saying someone is guilty because
BK>>   he went outside the law.

 JF>     What law did Feith actually break?  You forgot to say.

 It was your simili. The very existance of an amateur intel
 analysis team that has no oversight, and reports only privately
 to the president and other high officials, and is not provided
 for in any law, is evidence of an intent to deceive.

BK>>   He wasn't just there, he was hiding all
BK>>   the contradictory opinions.

 JF>   Another empty claim.  Show me a credible account that
 JF>   nails it. I asked you before, and every time I get the
 JF>   same old run around.

 Why do I have to spoon feed it to you. In the Feith report,
 snipurl.com/fiethreport, it's in the executive summary right at
 the front of the report.

 JF>   Face it, Bob.  If you really had
 JF>   something you would be the FIRST one to plaster it all
 JF>   over this conference.  You haven't, still.

 I have given you the link. You have an obligation to look for
 yourself sometimes. We went over this years ago, do you think I
 have memorized chapter and verse?

 JF>>   Still waiting for the gov report that says Feith has done
 JF>>   what you claim.  We've gone over this in 'DEBATE'.  I
 JF>>   asked for something that would confirm that Feith "fixed
 JF>>   the data", after quite a hunt you came back with
 JF>>   addresses to many different websites, and when asked for
 JF>>   the actual excerpt, you said you were tired.

BK>>   I said I am tired of spoon feeding this to you.
BK>>   Or words to that effect. You are years behind
BK>>    on the discussion.

 JF>   Same old baloney.  If you had anything that supports you
 JF>   claim you would have posted it by now.  Again, all you
 JF>   have is 'No WMD found' after waiting a year and a half
 JF>   after 9/11.

 And you keep up with that waiting a year and a half, with
 nothing at all to show that the year and a half opened any
 opportunities to hide anything. You know little about the means
 of detection available, and you won't read the reports when I
 give them to you. I have a lot more than "No WMD Found", but you
 try to pretend it doesn't exist. Fact it, accept it, admit it,
 Bush took us into war for oil, and on a basis of lies.

BK>>   And you can't expect a report from the
BK>>   Bush government saying the Bush government lied.

 JF>   We've been through this.  Your notion that Bush had total
 JF>   control over all braches of gov, made up of Republicans
 JF>   and Democrats, and all the reports they have put out, is

 He did have control of the entire administration, and that is
 the only branch of government that puts out intel reports and
 criminal investigations.

 JF>   ridiculous.  The 'Bush lied' chant is a fantasy that was
 JF>   spun on 'No WMD found'.

 And on all the rest I have given you that you won't even look
 at.

BK>>   Look at the DOD deputy inspector general for
BK>>   intel report on Feith.

 JF>   I have.  Didn't see anything that confirms what you say.
 JF>  Since I, uh, missed it, and since you know it's what you
 JF>  claim, provide the excerpt. And don't give me this "I'm
 JF>  tired" excuse because you've been at this for years, with

 Yes I have been at this for years, and I am tired of running
 around in the same circles over and over just because you won't
 let go of your fixation of denial of the truth.

 JF>  vigor.  And those dozen addresses of reports/accounts you
 JF>  provided in response to my request asking for something
 JF>  that confirms Bush/Feith lied has yielded nothing also.
 JF>  If I'm wrong about that, please provide the excerpt(s).

 Read the executive summary of the Feith report.

 What part of he wrote up reports and did not include that his
 reports were in conflict with the rest of the intel community
 doesn't get through?

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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