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Looks like Bush found someone that's perfect for Scott McClellan's old
job.
Tony Snowjob.
Suggested questions for the White House press corps to ask on Tony
Snow's first day
Summary:
National Journal's "The Hotline" reported on April 25 that "Republicans
close to the White House expect Pres. Bush to formally name Tony Snow as
his new press secretary." Snow, a syndicated columnist and Fox News
host, has emerged as the front-runner to replace outgoing White House
press secretary Scott McClellan, who announced his resignation on April
19. Throughout his tenure as a columnist, Snow has offered various
opinions on President Bush, the Bush administration, the Republican
Party in general, and top Democrats that the White House press corps may
want him to expand upon should he be named press secretary. Media
Matters for America suggests the following questions:
Do you still think President Bush is a "wimp" and looks "impotent" for
not "veto[ing] a single bill of any type"?
From Snow's September 30, 2005, column:
Begin with the wimp factor. No president has looked this impotent this
long when it comes to defending presidential powers and prerogatives.
Nearly 57 months into his administration, President Bush has yet to veto
a single bill of any type. The only other presidents never to issue a
veto -- William Henry Harrison and James Garfield -- died within months
of taking office.
Could you elaborate on the "leaden phrases" and the "unbearably abstract
and dull" portions of Bush's "Social Security sales pitch" that made it
"stink[]"?
From Snow's May 4, 2005, column:
Polls indicate President Bush is taking a pounding on the issue of
Social Security. I will explain tomorrow why many of these reports are
exaggerated. Today, I'll focus on the simpler issue of why his Social
Security sales pitch stinks.
[...]
Check out the leaden phrases: "the math has changed ... 40 million
retirees receiving benefits ... more than 72 million retirees drawing
Social Security benefits ... 16 workers for every beneficiary ... 3.3
workers for every beneficiary; soon there will be two workers for every
beneficiary ... In 2017 ... by 2041 ..."
Not one syllable of this stuff resonates with people sitting at home
watching on TV. It sounds as if some rogue accountant has invaded the
president's body, and filled his head statistical dross.
I agree with the president, and I actually sympathize with his argument,
but this is unbearably abstract and dull. So what would I, Mr. Smarty
Pants Radio Host, do instead? I would speak Dinner Table English.
With the failure of Harriet Miers' Supreme Court nomination, do you
consider Bush's presidency effectively over?
From Snow's October 7, 2005, column:
So now things get interesting. The president has stirred up a lot of
mischief, but Miers has to clean up the mess. The upcoming confirmation
hearings will determine her fate -- and the president's. If she defies
expectations, George Bush will look like a genius. If the Senate rejects
her nomination, his presidency will come effectively to an end.
Do you still believe that Republicans nationwide "behave like reckless
heirs to someone else's fortune"?
From Snow's November 11, 2005, column:
Elected Republicans and their legislative leaders nationwide have fallen
prey to the natural temptation to view power as their birthright, rather
than a reward for hard and righteous work. This explains why they behave
like reckless heirs to someone else's fortune. It's a little difficult
to mock Ted Kennedy or Howard Dean when George W. Bush can't even say no
to peanut institutes in Alabama or gambling halls (rather than, say,
repaired levees) in Louisiana.
Would you still argue that the Republican Party is "packed with
cowards"? Or that the president's "compassionate conservatism" is "a
slogan that exceeded skeptics' worst expectations"? Or that Bush
"lack[ed] not only conviction, but vision" when he signed McCain-
Feingold? If not, what has caused you to change your mind, aside from
having accepted this job?
From Snow's December 3, 2005, column:
When Democrats gibber about Republicans' writhing in a culture of
corruption, they're on to something -- but not what they think. The
Republican Party in Washington is in trouble not because it's overrun by
crooks, but because it's packed with cowards -- and has degenerated into
a caricature of the party that swept to power 11 years ago promising to
take on the federal bureaucracy and liberate the creative genius of
American society.
[...]
Hence, George W. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" -- a slogan that
exceeded skeptics' worst expectations. That phrase, aimed at reassuring
suburban white moms and queasy left-wing Republicans, became a white
flag on the core issue of government size and might. Bush insiders even
began boasting about "big government" conservatism -- oblivious to the
fact that big government does not conserve or preserve; it crushes and
digests, devouring institutions that challenge its supremacy.
[...]
When House Speaker Denny Hastert broke arms to secure votes for a pork-
packed highway bill, calling the legislation a "jobs bill," it was an
embarrassment. When the president signed a campaign-finance bill he
called unconstitutional, he seemed to lack not only conviction, but
vision.
In your estimation, has the "Conservative Movement" bounced back after
Bush's and the Republicans' spending policies "shattered" it "like a
broken mirror, into dozens of jagged, sharp and discordant pieces"?
From Snow's September 1, 2004, column:
In addition, George W. Bush has made it clear that "compassionate
conservatism" is expensive conservatism -- a formula many Republicans
consider oxymoronic (and others, just "moronic").
[...]
When it comes to spending, George W. Bush is the president who hasn't
said no. He has approved the most dramatic expansion of government
activity and expense since Richard Nixon and unlike Nixon, or any other
modern president, hasn't vetoed a single bill in his first term of
office.
[...]
Not so long ago, one could count on Republicans at least to defend the
idea of limited government, but no more. This is the chief reason the
Conservative Movement has shattered, like a broken mirror, into dozens
of jagged, sharp and discordant pieces.
Will you pursue amicable relations with Senate Democratic Leader Harry
Reid (D-NV), even though he "behave[s] in such an inane manner," and
"made official his descent into the Moonbat Grotto"?
From Snow's September 26, 2005, column:
Harry Reid was a famously nice guy before he became the Senate
Democratic leader. Although reliably partisan, he built a well-earned
reputation for playing the role of nice guy, the man of genial calm.
No more: The senator this week made official his descent into the
Moonbat Grotto by issuing a lame rebuke of John Roberts, the president's
choice to become the next chief justice of the Supreme Court.
[...]
Reid's performance raises an interesting and vital question: What on
earth would persuade a naturally nice man to behave in such an inane
manner -- and why would a majority of Democrats join him in voting
against John Roberts, who may be the strongest high-court nominee in a
century?
Snow repeated falsehoods, offered new one in attempt to rebut Media
Matters
Summary: On his radio show, Fox News host Tony Snow made false claims
while attempting to rebut items on Media Matters' April 19 list of "the
many falsehoods of Tony Snow."
On the April 20 broadcast of his Fox News Radio show, host Tony Snow
made several false claims while attempting to rebut items from Media
Matters for America's April 19 list of "numerous false and misleading
claims advanced by Snow as a Fox News commentator." But in responding to
the points, read by assistant Sean McGrane (ph), Snow repeated his
previous false or misleading claims. In one case, as a result of a
misreading by McGrane, Snow made a new false claim about former CIA
operative Valerie Plame.
Snow's assistant misread the first item on Media Matters' list. Media
Matters wrote that "Snow falsely asserted that former ambassador Joseph
C. Wilson IV said his wife, Valerie Plame, 'wasn't covert for six years'
before she was exposed as a CIA operative by syndicated columnist Robert
Novak." But when McGrane read it on the air, he incorrectly said that
Media Matters had accused Snow of claiming that Plame herself had said
she wasn't covert. From the April 20 broadcast of The Tony Snow Show:
McGRANE: Snow falsely asserted that former ambassador Joe Wilson and his
wife, Valerie Plame -- that Plame said "wasn't covert for six years"
before she was exposed as a CIA operative.
Snow responded, "Uh, no. That's not what I said. But I did say she was
not covert when she was exposed because she had not been on foreign soil
for six years." But the claim that "she had not been on foreign soil for
six years" is also rebutted by the evidence. As Media Matters has
previously noted, evidence indicates that Plame engaged in CIA business
abroad between 1998 and 2003, even if she was not stationed abroad. An
October 8, 2003, Washington Post article suggested that Plame remained
undercover "in recent years" as an "energy consultant," while actually
serving as a weapons-proliferation analyst for the CIA. She was known by
friends and neighbors as someone who "traveled frequently overseas,"
according to the Post article. Moreover, on September 29, 2003, CNN
national security correspondent David Ensor stated in a report: "All I
can say is, my sources tell me that this [Plame] is a CIA operative.
This is a person who did run agents. This is a person who was out there
in the world collecting information."
Snow repeated his false claim -- also flagged in the April 19 Media
Matters item -- that evolution is not scientifically testable. Saying
that "we're gonna get nerdy here for a moment," Snow asserted, "If you
study the philosophy of science ... you have to be able to conduct like
a test-tube experiment. You have to be able to falsify something. The
theory of evolution may fit a whole string of facts. But can you do
something that demonstrates that apes turned into men? The answer is no,
you can't. You can't conduct that experiment. It's humanly impossible.
So as a consequence, it's going to remain interesting, it'll remain
speculative." He then stated that, similarly, "[y]ou don't have the
intelligent-design test tube." As Media Matters noted when it first
documented this claim by Snow, the theory of evolution has, in the
process of its acceptance by the scientific community, been subject to
extensive testing and rigorous scrutiny. Science and Creationism: A View
from the National Academy of Sciences (National Academies Press, June
1999), documents more evidence in support of evolution -- such as
physical and embryonic similarities among seemingly divergent species.
The book also refutes Snow's assertion that evolutionary theory "isn't
verifiable or testable." From Science and Creationism:
Evolutionary theory explains that biological diversity results from the
descendants of local or migrant predecessors becoming adapted to their
diverse environments. This explanation can be tested by examining
present species and local fossils to see whether they have similar
structures, which would indicate how one is derived from the other.
Also, there should be evidence that species without an established local
ancestry had migrated into the locality. Wherever such tests have been
carried out, these conditions have been confirmed.
Snow also repeated his false criticism in response to Media Matters'
claim that "Snow peddled the baseless Republican National Committee
talking point that 2004 presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)
had blamed U.S. troops for the explosives looted from the Al Qaqaa
military installation following the invasion of Iraq. Snow said, '[T]he
Kerry campaign is not criticizing the president here. They're
criticizing our troops.' " Snow said "the whole point" was that Kerry
said "they're [the administration] guilty of malfeasance by letting the
weapons get away. Well, you can't say that I'm criticizing the fact that
the weapons got away and not criticize the people who let the weapons
get away, in your opinion. You can't say that George Bush was standing
right there."
But, as Media Matters noted, Kerry did in fact blame the administration
and not the military personnel who were there: "After being warned about
the danger of major stockpiles of explosives in Iraq," Kerry said, "this
administration failed to guard those stockpiles -- where nearly 380 tons
of highly explosive weapons were kept."
As the October 25, 2004, The New York Times reported, the administration
was repeatedly warned about Al Qaqaa being left unguarded -- but did
nothing about it:
The International Atomic Energy Agency publicly warned about the danger
of these explosives [at Al Qaqaa] before the war, and after the invasion
it specifically told United States officials about the need to keep the
explosives secured, European diplomats said in interviews last week.
Administration officials say they cannot explain why the explosives were
not safeguarded, beyond the fact that the occupation force was
overwhelmed by the amount of munitions they found throughout the
country.
From the April 20 broadcast of Fox News Radio's The Tony Snow Show:
McGRANE: And, then, finally -- well, two quick ones if we have time.
Media Matters lists the many falsehoods of Tony Snow.
SNOW: Oh yeah, I love this one. I love this one.
McGRANE: You want to hear a couple of your falsehoods? Or is that --
SNOW: Yeah, actually -- because I've actually -- what's happened is, the
creative readers of that site have actually been thoughtful enough to
cut and paste the entire thing for me.
McGRANE: Oh, really?
SNOW: Yeah, so --
McGRANE: The vast list of your falsehoods.
SNOW: The vast list of falsehoods. So let's, yeah, let's hear some of
those, and then we're gonna take a break and I will share with you some
of the emails too.
McGRANE: "From his statement that evolutionary theory is a 'hypothesis'
to his defense of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Media Matters for
America has documented numerous false and misleading claims advanced by
Snow as a Fox News commentator" --
SNOW: Wow. That's dangerous. Let's hear them.
McGRANE: -- including "Snow falsely asserted that former ambassador Joe
Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame -- that Plame said 'wasn't covert for
six years' before she was exposed as a CIA operative."
SNOW: Uh, no. That's not what I said. But I did say that she was not
covert when she was exposed because she had not been on foreign soil for
six years.
[...]
McGRANE: "Snow put forward numerous falsehoods to argue that
'evolutionary theory, like intelligent design, isn't verifiable or
testable. It's pure hypothesis.' "
SNOW: Yeah, well, here's --
McGRANE: Don't they call it the theory of evolution?
SNOW: Well, here's the deal. In science -- if you study the philosophy
of science -- we're gonna get nerdy here for a moment. You have to be
able to conduct like a test-tube experiment. You have to be able to
falsify something. The theory of evolution may fit a whole string of
facts. But can you do something that demonstrates that apes turned into
men? The answer's no, you can't. You can't conduct that experiment. It's
humanly impossible. So as a consequence, it's gonna remain interesting,
it'll remain speculative. Similarly with an intelligent design. I mean,
intelligent design says, there's a design behind everything. Well, yeah,
OK, we seem to have natural laws and all that that seem to vindicate it,
but, you can't prove it. You don't have the intelligent-design test
tube. That's all I was saying.
McGRANE: "Snow peddled the baseless RNC talking point that 2004
presidential candidate John Kerry had blamed U.S. troops for the
explosives looted from the Al Qaqaa military installation following the
invasion of Iraq. Snow said, '[T]he Kerry campaign is not criticizing
the president here. They're criticizing our troops.' "
SNOW: OK, well, John Kerry says that they're guilty of malfeasance by
letting the weapons get away. Well, you can't say that I'm criticizing
the fact that the weapons got away and not criticize the people who let
the weapons get away, in your opinion. You can't say that George Bush
was standing right there, that was the whole point. Here's -- that's
pretty weak stuff.
McGRANE: Yeah, there's not a whole lot here. I hope maybe they're saving
their best stuff for if you do decide to do it.
SNOW: Somebody's going to read through all these columns, they're going
to find out -- Remember, you said this about the president? I'll just
have to say, yeah, sure do.
McGRANE: You can blame -- blame that on [producer] Griff [Jenkins].
Even more Tony Snow falsehoods
Summary: Media Matters for America documented a number of Tony Snow's
false or misleading claims when it was reported that he was on the
shortlist for the position of White House press secretary. Following are
numerous additional claims advanced by Snow in print and on the air.
Speculation that the Bush administration will tap Fox News' Tony Snow to
succeed Scott McClellan as White House press secretary has intensified
in recent days. The New York Daily News reported on April 20 that Snow
"is emerging as the front-runner to replace McClellan," and an April 21
New York Times article disclosed that he is "in negotiations for the
job." Snow is a syndicated columnist, host of Fox News Radio's The Tony
Snow Show, and co-hosts Fox News' Weekend Live with Brian Wilson.
Media Matters for America documented a number of Snow's false or
misleading claims when it was reported that he was on the shortlist.
Following are numerous additional claims advanced by Snow in print and
on the air.
Warrantless domestic surveillance
Suggested Democrats objected to Bush's warrantless spying because they
think the "government should not be able to listen to Al Qaeda": While
speaking to Fox News political analyst Bob Beckel, Snow suggested that
"Democratic opposition" to the warrantless domestic surveillance program
arose from the belief that "the government should not be able to listen
to Al Qaeda people talking to American citizens." Further, Snow claimed
that the lack of additional domestic terrorist attacks was "a sign of
[the program's] success." As Media Matters has noted, this false claim
was first made by White House senior adviser Karl Rove during an address
to the Republican National Committee at its winter meeting and was
quickly spread as a talking point by numerous conservatives. But,
contrary to Rove and Snow's assertion, no national Democratic figure --
member of the Democratic leadership in Congress, Democratic governor, or
Democratic Party official -- has said that the United States should not
be intercepting calls suspected to involve Al Qaeda. Moreover, Snow's
claims about the program's effectiveness are not supported by the
evidence.
Claimed that Carter and Bush both authorized warrantless surveillance of
U.S. citizens: Snow asserted that former President Jimmy Carter had
"signed an executive order that authorized the attorney general to
approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence
information." Snow went on to claim that this represented "exactly what
the president is doing." But Snow ignored a crucial difference: Carter,
unlike Bush, prohibited such surveillance of U.S. citizens. Indeed,
Carter's order specifically required the attorney general to certify
that the surveillance will not contain "the contents of any
communication to which a United States person is a party." [Fox News'
Weekend Live, 12/24/05]
Claimed that the FISA probable cause standard kept the FBI from
inspecting Moussaoui's laptop: Snow said that FBI agents in possession
of Zacarias Moussaoui's laptop "decided not to go ahead and look at the
contents because they ... had no definite proof that the guy was a
terrorist" and, therefore, couldn't meet the probable cause standard
necessary for a warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
(FISA). But Snow ignored the bipartisan finding by the Senate Judiciary
Committee that the investigators had possessed sufficient evidence but
that FBI attorneys had applied a too-stringent standard for establishing
probable, preventing the investigators from petitioning the court for
authorization. [Fox News' Weekend Live, 12/24/05]
Claimed that 2002 FISA review court opinion allowed for warrantless
domestic surveillance: Snow stated that a 2002 opinion (In re: Sealed
Case No. 02-001) by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of
Review "says the president's inherent authority allows him" to eavesdrop
on the international communications of U.S. residents. But the claim
misrepresents the 2002 decision, in which the court said only that the
president has inherent authority to conduct foreign intelligence
surveillance without a warrant. The court did not rule on the question
of whether a president has the constitutional authority to spy on people
in the United States without a warrant, in apparent violation of FISA.
CIA leak investigation
Falsely claimed that Wilson said Cheney had sent him to Niger: Snow
claimed in his July 15, 2005, column that former ambassador Joseph C.
Wilson IV said he "had been dispatched by [Vice President] Dick Cheney
to conduct a secret mission to Niger." In fact, Wilson never claimed
that Cheney sent him on the trip. To the contrary, he wrote in his July
6, 2003, op-ed in The New York Times that the CIA requested he go on the
mission "so they could provide a response" to questions raised by Cheney
regarding allegations that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium from
the African country.
Claimed that Intel Committee "discovered" that Plame recommended Wilson
for the Niger mission: In his July 15, 2005, column, Snow further
claimed that the Senate Intelligence Committee, in its 2004 "Report on
the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on
Iraq," "discovered that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, did indeed
recommend him for the trip" to Niger. But the committee did not
officially conclude that she had been responsible for Wilson's
assignment. Media Matters previously noted that Snow had falsely
asserted that Wilson said his wife "wasn't covert for six years" before
she was exposed as a CIA operative by syndicated columnist Robert Novak.
Terrorism
Falsely accused Clinton of rejecting bin Laden offer: Snow advanced the
discredited claim that Sudan had offered to "hand over" Osama bin Laden
to the United States in the 1990s, but that the Clinton administration
responded, "Nah, don't want to do it." But this claim is derived from an
August 11, 2002, article on right-wing news website NewsMax that
distorted a speech Clinton made in 2002. Indeed, the bipartisan 9-11
Commission found (page 3) "no reliable evidence to support" the claim
that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States and determined that,
based on Clinton's testimony, in "wrongly recounting a number of press
stories he had read," Clinton had "misspoken" in his 2002 speech. [Fox
News' Weekend Live, 2/25/06]
Claimed botched CIA attack on Ayman Al-Zawahiri "was a success": Snow
claimed the January 13 CIA drone attack in western Pakistan targeting
top Al Qaeda official al-Zawahiri "was a success." Further, Snow and
guest Richard Miniter both claimed the attack "knocked off four to five
key Al Qaeda" figures. In fact, the strike reportedly killed at least 18
civilians, sparking widespread Pakistani condemnation and protests.
Initially, U.S. officials claimed that, at minimum, some high level Al
Qaeda officials were among those killed in the attacks, but this claim
was never officially confirmed. A January 20 Financial Times report
(subscription required) noted: "Pakistani intelligence official
confirmed the identities [of alleged Al Qaeda officals] were made on the
basis of intelligence information and not 'facts gathered through DNA
tests or any other means.' " [Fox News' Weekend Live, 1/21/06]
Deemed Gitmo "the most humane prisoner-of-war facility in history": In a
June 15, 2005, column, Snow wrote that the Pentagon's military detention
facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, "may be the most humane prisoner-of-
war facility in history."
Immigration
Called immigrants rights protestors "idiots": In response to Republican
strategist Linda Chavez's claim that the flying of Mexican flags by
Mexican-Americans at a 1994 protest led to the passage of California's
controversial Proposition 187, Snow said, "So, to quote the famous movie
Napoleon Dynamite --'idiots.' " [Fox News' Weekend Live, 4/1/06]
From the December 24, 2005, edition of Fox News' Weekend Live:
SNOW: Shortly after its [FISA's] passage, your then-president, Jimmy
Carter, signed an executive order that authorized the attorney general
to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence
information without a court order and then, subject to having the
attorney general sign off. That's exactly what this president is doing,
corrrect?
[...]
CHAVEZ: The president has the inherent authority under the Constitution.
There have been a series of Supreme Court rulings. There's been a most
recent ruling by 2002 of the FISA appeals court.
SNOW: It was the FISA court -- something called In re: Sealed Case 2002
[sic], where it says the president's inherent authority allows him to do
this.
[...]
SNOW: As a matter of fact, when they seized the laptop of Zacarias
Moussaoui, FBI agents decided not to go ahead and look at the contents
because they were afraid they couldn't establish probable cause because
they had no definite proof that the guy was a terrorist.
From the January 21 edition of Weekend Live:
SNOW: What seems also odd about this is that the tape was released just
about a day after it became perfectly obvious that the CIA strike -- the
Predator strike in western Pakistan -- was a success.
MINITER: A great success.
SNOW: They not only -- they not only hit a place where Zawahiri had met
earlier with [Abu Faraj] al-Libbi -- who has since fallen into American
clutches -- but also, it knocked off four to five key Al Qaeda guys.
MINITER: Right, including the head of the Kunar Province operations,
which is the main battleground in Afghanistan against U.S. forces at the
moment. And their top bomb maker and poison gas maker. You know, it's a
great hit from the "war on terror" perspective. Also, they werevery
careful to wait until the sun had set, because, by that time, the meal
would have been put down, and men and women eat separately in that part
of Pakistan, so the Predator waited, hoping to avoid civilian casualties
-- a point that gets lost in all this coverage.
SNOW: Well, it does get lost in the coverage mainly because people don't
-- you know, they don't understand the end of the eye -- they don't
understand any of that stuff.
[...]
SNOW: Bob, let me ask you a different question. On the surveillance
front: You've got a bin Laden tape -- there've been people saying the
government should not be able to listen to Al Qaeda people talking to
American citizens. What does that do politically to the Democratic
opposition to the surveillance plan, if anything?
BECKEL: Well, first of all, I'll tell you, it obviously says more -- I
don't -- if you've got a surveillance plan -- I haven't seen one single
thing come out of this surveillance plan. I would assume, by now, that
somebody in the administration --
SNOW: But, wait a minute, is that not a sign of success? If you have
surveillance and you don't have crime, that would seem to be a sign of
success.
From the February 25 edition of Weekend Live:
SNOW: You know also that some of those people who were lunching with bin
Laden offered to hand him over -- to serve as the go-between between the
government of Sudan and the U.S. -- during the Clinton years. And the
Clinton administration said, "Nah, don't want to do it." So, it's an
interesting tale.
From the April 1 edition of Weekend Live:
SNOW: Give me your response to sort of pro-immigrant groups that are
doing rallies like this and waving Mexican and other flags -- are they
doing more harm than good to their cause?
CHAVEZ: They're doing a lot of harm. And, in fact, back in 1994, when
California considered an anti-immigrant provision -- Proposition 187 --
that was -- that initiative was actually going down in the polls. It was
ahead a week before the election by only one point, then 70,000 Mexican-
Americans took to the streets flying Mexican flags and -- guess what? --
it won by 59 percent. So, these folks would do a whole lot better if
they would only fly the Red, White, and Blue.
SNOW: So, to quote the famous movie Napoleon Dynamite --"idiots."
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