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Text 4875, 132 rader
Skriven 2007-08-10 10:17:00 av TIM RICHARDSON
Ärende: Small `d' democrats
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Here's an interesting column:


House Democrats Fail Democracy 101


By Tom DeLay


Friday, August 3, 2007


Last night on the House floor; that sprawling, brawling arena that was like a
second home to me during my 22 year career in Congress; it seems pretty clear
that a crime was perpetrated against the rule of law and the American people.

A combination of arrogance and incompetence on the part of the Democrat
leadership left the Rules looking like a prisoner at Abu Ghraib. Not bad for
a Thursday night.


Here's how it went down. The House of Representatives, like all democratic
legislatures, provides for what is called a "Motion to Recommit." It's one of
the many minority rights built into the structure of the legislative process.


Basically, a properly led majority party in the House, unlike in the Senate,
can pass pretty much any bill it wants to. It can swat down minority
amendments, or even disallow their introduction in the first place. In order
to give minority members a semblance of dignity in such circumstances, they
are usually permitted one more vote, before a major bill's final passage, to
send the bill back to committee. A good example of this would be a budget
bill: Republicans don't want to just vote against the Democrat budget, so
they propose their own in the form of the motion to recommit, so at least
they can have something they're for. Now, because majority parties are in
control of things and presumably have competent leadership, these procedural
votes are typically formalities.


Until this year. In the seven months since the Democrats took control of
Congress and, as now appears evident, elected the most incompetent speaker in
American history, Republicans have passed one motion to recommit after
another.


They have cleverly written their motions so as to make it difficult for
Democrats to cavalierly vote against them. Such was the case last night.

Before the vote on the Agriculture spending bill for the next fiscal year,
Republicans offered a nifty little motion to recommit so that illegal
immigrants would not receive taxpayer funded government welfare. (My
compliments to whoever thought that one up.)


Well, because a few of the Democrats can't afford to have an ad in their next
campaign saying he wanted to give illegal immigrants federal funds, Nancy
Pelosi's duct-taped majority sprung another leak. The motion to recommit,
whose passage would scuttle the Democrats' bill offering taxpayer benefits to
illegal immigrants, was on the verge of passage, with 215 votes in favor and
213 votes opposed. Yet another ring was about to run around Pelosi and her
bumbling leadership team.


Then it happened.


The presiding officer, the guy in the big chair with the gavel, was Democrat
Congressman Michael McNulty, who would apparently make a compelling
contestant on Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?, gaveled the vote closed
(repeat, closed) when it was 215 to 213. Republicans win. Except when McNulty
got the tally from the Clerk and realized what happened, he and the Democrat
leader conspired to "correct" their mistake, after the gavel had fallen.


Angry Republicans started asking questions, primarily one beginning with the
words, "what" and "the". Republican Leader John Boehner stood up and asked
the same question, politely, and all McNulty said was that the "voting
machine is down." (The House's electronic voting machine doesn't just 'go
down', incidentally: it was more likely turned off to hide the evidence of
the crime.)


A few minutes of strange rustlings over on the Democrat side of the dais
ensued until finally Rep. McNulty spoke up again and said, "The Chair
prematurely called the vote at 214-214 [a lie], while there were votes being
entered [illegal]. After all the cards [whose?] were added, the final
[illegal] vote was 212 to 216, nay." 'Sorry suckers, it's Schlitz O'Clock!'
(Okay, I added the last part.)


Except here's the thing. The vote was closed. Not open. Not ajar. Closed. The
rules don't allow for McNulty's personal problem with premature
e-gavel-ation.


He screwed up and cost the Democrats the vote. But in Nancy Pelosi's America,
votes only count when Democrats win: so she cheated, and bent a once-proud
and honorable political party into an instrument of despotism. Jaw-dropping
as it may sound, it's not an exaggeration to say that for a few minutes last
night, the United States was not a representative democracy.


Democrats came out to the floor this morning, admitted they made an honest
mistake, and suggested we let bygones be bygones. That's all well and good,
except for this: when a motion to recommit passes, no other votes are taken!

The Agriculture bill is sent back to the House committee, not to the Senate
for further action. And on top of that, the Democrats even tried to expunge
the record. They're hoping the American people don't notice. In short, they
think you're even less on the ball than Congressman McNulty.


(And for those of you who are trying so desperately to compare it to the
Medicare vote that was held open for three hours, I give you this. The House
requires a minimum of 15 minutes for a vote; however, the vote can stay open
as long as needed, until the strike of the gavel when the vote is properly
tallied.


That early morning in 2003, we won, fair and square. Democrats had every
right to find it annoying  (I would have in their shoes), but what we did was
no way illegal or unruly. What's amazing is that after we took the Democrats
to school for 12 years, they'd still rather cheat than learn.)


Tom DeLay is the former House Majority Leader, the second ranking leader in
the United States House of Representatives, and co-author of No Retreat, No
Surrender: One American's Fight.

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