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Ärende: Re: OT: a proposal for increasing teachers' salaries
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 22:56:37 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <hti4439hpp855qtqmhrt957cguurb3vh9i@4ax.com>,
> Josh Hill <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:40:27 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>> >In article <1c5243dq8avm1q2fktm5o3k2djdjc0hmqp@4ax.com>,
>> > Josh Hill <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In Kennedy's case, yes. In Bush's case, no. Economists say that Bus=
h's
>> >> tax cuts /reduced/ revenues from what they otherwise would have bee=
n.
>> >>=20
>> >> You just can't reduce this to a right-wing sound bite, Carl. Econom=
ics
>> >> isn't that simple.
>> >
>> >  Yet you manage to do just that with unnamed economists and the=20
>> >assertion that there is some sort of consensus, if not unanimous=20
>> >agreement on this subject.
>>=20
>> A reference to authority doesn't constitute simplification.

>      Don't see a reference to anything remotely resembling an=20
>authority. Just unnamed and unnumbered "economists". who just so happen=20
>to agree with you.. or so you say.

Kurt, argue the facts or not at all. I am not going to trouble myself
debunking your obnoxious insinuations.
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>> >> When the deficit is excessive from an economic perspective, you rai=
se
>> >> taxes or cut services.
>>=20
>> >   No, you raise taxes. There never has been a time where they cut=20
>> >services or even eliminated programs that were no longer needed or=20
>> >working.
>>=20
>> Programs have been cut numerous times. Overall spending increases, but
>> that's to be expected, given that population increases and we grow
>> wealthier and so better able to afford them.
>
>      Other than military when the Dems are in power, name me one that=20
>is really cut. I don't mean in relation to what "should have been" with=20
>the last year plus basis, but a real honest-to-Gawd real money cut.

"Other than the military?" You've just ruled out the most obvious
example of what I said.

Entitlement programs grow by nature, as they should. If you're
interested in specific non-military programs that have been cut, check
out the Gringrich years. We've been discussing some of them here, in
fact -- support for the arts and public radio.

>Since we are better able to afford things, that means revenue is going=20
>up and the tax cuts worked. Glad you finally came around on that one.=20

No, it doesn't, because the fact that revenue goes up doesn't mean
that the tax cuts worked, merely that the economy grew, as it usually
does.

>> >> Not really. People's response is "reverse the tax cuts for the rich
>> >> that have given us record deficits and indirectly increased taxes f=
or
>> >> the poor and middle class."
>>=20
>> >   Again, the statements that fit in with your perspective but are=20
>> >pretty much entirely free of any actual substance.=20
>>=20
>> Are you saying that with a straight face? You've just made /two/ such
>> statements in a row. I can't speak for others, but if you hope to
>> convince me that I'm wrong, you will have to make an actual argument
>> rather than criticizing my haircut.

>      No, they were full of substance. The substance was that your posts=
=20
>lacked any. Some undefined "people's" are responding in a way that=20
>certainly agrees with you. =20

Kurt, I am here to have a friendly discussion of the issues, not to
have my integrity impugned. As a psychologist, I'm sure you know that
not infrequently, the accusations that people make about others say
more about their own conscious and unconscious agendas than they do
about those of the other party. I will leave you to ponder that and
the rest of this post unread, because your constant insults and
insinuations are getting me hot under my collar and, as I said
earlier, I don't want to inconvenience the moderators.

[rest snipped]

--=20
Josh

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths,
and how many, what day it=92s going to happen, and=20
how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean,
it=92s, it=92s not relevant. So, why should I waste my=20
beautiful mind on something like that?" - Barbara Bush
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