Text 14876, 134 rader
Skriven 2011-08-18 06:37:00 av Dave Drum (53612.cooking)
     Kommentar till en text av Glen Jamieson (53607.cooking)
Ärende: Cycling Games
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-=> Glen Jamieson wrote to Dave Drum <=-

 GJ> calling for Cadel Evans for Prime Minister.  He is a pedal pusher.
 GJ> Did Lance Armstrong inspire any comptuter gamers?

 DD> I don't know. But, I'll bet he doesn't wear pedal pushers.

 GJ> But he does or did push pedals.  Is he still a "hero" in USA?  To
 GJ> revert slightly to an earlier subject, as there are computer games
 GJ> based on racing cars with famous drivers, I wondered if there were
 GJ> games commemorating famous cyclists.

I know there is a Jesse Johnson game or three ... but, he's not a cyclist in
the context of Lance Armstrong - he's a BMX racer and stunt rider. Lance
Armstrong is featured in almost all the the Bicycle Team Manager games released
during the period(s) he was competing. There is also a Lance Armstrong game
available on the Nike web site.
 
 GJ> And when the turbines don't turn, the cost is infinite.  The 50 W
 GJ> Bangladeshi solar lighting installations include the battery.

 DD> Which is why such - and solar, and geothermal, etc. are hooked into a
 DD> grid. DUH!!! There is a wind power installation which I pass by several
 DD> times per week. Probably 50 or more (I've never counted them) TALL
 DD> windmills. I have seldom seen them still ... although it has happened
 DD> from time to time.

 GJ> It is generally accepted that wind power cannot exceed about 20% of
 GJ> the capacity of an electrical network, due to its intermittency.
 
You are quibbling and caviling (izzat a word?) attempting misdirection, in any
event. I covered intermittency above.

 DD> So, what happens in Bangladesh in the middle of monsoon with no sun
 DD> for extended periods and the battery goes flat? The big "wind farm"
 DD> installations are hooked into a grid. A solar powered battery with no
 DD> solar is about as useful as an oil lamp with no fuel.

 GJ> Although the sun may disappear for extended periods in some benighted
 GJ> parts of your continent, in countries closer to the equator it rises
 GJ> every morning, without fail.  During monsoon seasons there is still
 GJ> light, which although not as bright as during the dry seasons, it is
 GJ> still sufficient to charge batteries.  Perhaps you are confusing solar
 GJ> electric cells with solar water heaters, which are more affected by
 GJ> clouds and overcast.

No, I'm not. 
 
 GJ> The fixed costs of capital expenditure can vary a lot, depending on
 GJ> who is calculating them, and his side in the debate.  There is also
 GJ> the cost of maintaining back-up generating capacity for turbines for
 GJ> when the wind stops blowing.

See the definition of "electric grid".
 
 DD> That's why they are hooked into an electric grid. Even an engineer
 DD> ought to be able to come to grips with that concept.

 GJ> Of course, which is why wind turbines cannot replace fossil fuel
 GJ> generators, but merely supplement them.  The larger the grid, the
 GJ> better, which is why there are plans for a huge one, covering most of
 GJ> Europe and northern Africa, incorporating coal, geo-thermal, nuclear,
 GJ> hydro, wind and solar sources of power.  The Sahara is very big on
 GJ> solar capacity.

Spain/Portugal/France have some big solar reflectors heating sodium which then
powers electric generating turbines. Quite impressive -- and as the sodium
retains its heat fairly well the generators work well after sundown. As well,
the Frogs are working with tidal generators which use the tidal currents (both
up and down) to generate EMF.
 
 DD> Actual production cost for nuclear generated power run about $0.017
 DD> per kW/h. However, startup, inspection, regulatory, etc. costs and
 DD> costs of perpetual storage of spent fuel run the actual cost out of the
 DD> realm of credulity. (various web-sites including the NRDC)

 GJ> There is also the high cost of dismantling nukes at the end of their
 GJ> lives, yet some countries are still building more nuke stations.

 DD> See above - that's covered under perpetual storage.

 GJ> You did specify "spent fuel", and not the radio-active components of
 GJ> the reactors.  Australia has some ideal locations for perpetual
 GJ> storage, far from any habitations, where the spent fuel could reside
 GJ> in peace until economical methods of re-processing can be devised, or
 GJ> humanity destroys itself, whichever comes first.

I am not sanguine as to the prospects of the continued survival of the human
species, long term.
 
 DD> Hardly. But, then again you have never let reason or truth stand in
 DD> the way of one of your misconceptions.

 GJ> "What is truth?"

Beats the hell out of me Mr. Pilate

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      Title: Velouté de Carottes ā l'Orange Sanguine
 Categories: Sauces, Vegetables, Citrus
      Yield: 3 servings

      1 ts Butter
      1    Shallot; thinly diced
  3 1/2 c  (875 ml)carrots; in 1/2"
           - pieces
           Zest of one orange sanguine
           Juice of 2 orange sanguine
      2 c  Vegetable stock

  Melt butter and add sweat shallot

  Add carrots and cook for 3 minutes.

  Add zest of orange, juice and stock. Bring to a boil, then
  reduce heat and cover, simmer for 30 minutes.

  Pass thru food processor or hand blender.

  Serve by adding creme, salt & pepper, garnish with parsley.

  Recipe submitted by: J. Polino

  From: http://www.epicurious.com

  Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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