Text 25238, 82 rader
Skriven 2006-02-10 17:06:07 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
  Kommentar till text 25171 av Philip Lozier (1:267/169)
Ärende: This echo...
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10 Feb 06 06:57, Philip Lozier wrote to Roy Witt:


 PL>>> I'm not familiar with those occurances, and I notice though that
 PL>>> the two moderators in question did -indeed- have a listing on the
 PL>>> echoes...

 RW>> Which is what the elected moderators were expected to do. But when
 RW>> your
 RW>> term was up, you were supposed to turn over the password to the
 RW>> listing to
 RW>> the newly elected moderator. Frezberg refused to do that (1997-8)
 RW>> and so
 RW>> the Elist Keeper gave it up for him. Of course, that wasn't as easy
 RW>> for
 RW>> the new moderator to get, as he had to show proof that he (Rob
 RW>> Farrera)
 RW>> was the elected moderator.

 PL> Hmmmm... I still can't comment on it because I don't know enough
 PL> about the nature of the echo involved, or even which one it was...

Sure you do; it was FN_SYSOP (aka FNS).

 PL>   I would say that in most echoes (not all but most) elections aren't
 PL> even appropriate unless provided for by a moderator in position, or
 PL> that such provisions existed prior to a moderator taking over and
 PL> he/she removed them after be elected by such a provision.

 PL> If -I- were to start an echo based on some interest of my own, I
 PL> would list it, and the rules would specificly state that -I- was the
 PL> moderator and owner of the echo and only by my passing it on could it
 PL> be transfered... to me it wouldn't be a democracy, it would be an
 PL> echo I started based, on my interest, and I would consider it my
 PL> property...

I feel that way about AUTOMOTIVE and HAM...in fact I go so far as to claim
that those echoes are not Fidonet's and that everything pertaining to
them; the tag, the echolisting and the posted rules are my copyrighted
material.

 PL> if others chose not to carry it because of that, so be
 PL> it. On the other hand, if I were elected moderator (heh... very
 PL> doubtful) of an echo that had a -charter- that allowed for terms, I
 PL> would respect the terms and election proceedures as that is what the
 PL> original -owner- set up, and was the terms of his/her passing it on.

There you go. FN_SYSOP (FNS) was an echo started by an individual, many
years ago. It was handed down to successive moderators for years, until
recently when someone decided he'd be the moderator for life. That's when
the echo really became a shambles and the fight that was going on there,
flowed over to this echo.

 PL>>>   maybe they were naysayers on it but it seems they -did- utilize
 PL>>> it and recognize it, despite the claims here by some that it is
 PL>>> just a Z1 list.
 RW>> Yeup. The Felon maintains the listing because that's what the
 RW>> sysops who
 RW>> claim ownership of FNS want him to do.

 PL> I really don't go there no more... browse every so often, but no real
 PL> desire to participate.

Since the users there have brought the crap here, it's nice and peaceful,
accept for the occasional Dossche interjection of stupidity, now and then.

 RW>> Otherwise, he would have ignored the listing and it would have been
 RW>> relisted by someone else. Just like he deliberately did with the
 RW>> listing for this echo.

 PL> Be nice to see some peace terms come out of that...  sometimes I feel
 PL> this echo is truly lost, but other times I see glimpses of hope that
 PL> -almost- make it seem like it could be restored somewhat.  Who
 PL> knows... time will tell.

Once the Felon moves on, it may, but it may also be too late to help the
echo by then.


Roy
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