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Skriven 2006-09-30 14:04:00 av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
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 RC> Hello BOB!

 RC> 28 Sep 06 16:19, you wrote to me:

 RC>>> My complaint is, that not every echo you pollute is a
 RC>>> political debate echo along the lines of what you are used
 RC>>> to elsewhere.

 BK>>  Now I'm not sure. Are you saying you think reasoned discourse is
 BK>>  polluting an echo? Or is it just disagreeing with you that is
 BK>>  polluting an echo?

 RC> Reasoned discourse isnt cutting and pasting a web page into
 RC> a fidonet message and calling it debate.

 I don't do a whole lotta cut and past into Fido. My
 wordprocessor doesn't do cut and paste well. What it does do is
 insert text files quite well. That's what I normally do.

 Having said that, what are you talking about? That wasn't from a
 website, it was original with me. I wrote it.

 Look up the first line on the web and see if it shows up
 anywhere.

 RC> Yourself, Whiney Wayne and Sauer seem to think you all are
 RC> the only ones who know how to surf the Internet and are the
 RC> only ones allowed to have an opinion on anything.

 Uh... you seem to be trying to suppress any dissenting views. If
 you have a differing opinion, post it. Otherwise, it doesn't
 matter if you have an opinion or not, we will never know.

 RC>>> The topic drift in here is bad enough without you trying to
 RC>>> solidify it, but we like our topic drift, but not on your
 RC>>> terms simply because you randomly peeked in. (Which I doubt
 RC>>> you did)

 BK>>  A: I never once even hinted I randomly peeked in. Someone in
 BK>>  another echo posted some commentary about this echo that didn't
 BK>>  make sense to me. So I looked in to see what he was talking
 BK>>  about. Now I understand it.

 RC> Thought so..

  Then why did you say what you did?

 BK>>  B: What are the terms of topic drift? I haven't seen them
 BK>>  posted.

 RC> The topic drift goes across the spectrum, usually themed
 RC> around Fidonet procedures, or the differences between USA
 RC> ways and the ways things are done in Europe, copyrights and
 RC> piracy  and how divisive the current editor of the Fidonews
 RC> has towards US based sysops.

 RC> Many of the Euro's feel the same way about Iraq/Bush that
 RC> you do, which should not be a revelation, that does not
 RC> mean this echo is yet another depository for your cutting
 RC> and pasting.

 Since I didn't, your entire line is irrelevant.

 RC> Not every echo is ripe for the political debate you so
 RC> crave and can find plenty of, elsewhere, in grounds you
 RC> already stomp upon.

 Like I find in this one?

 BK>>  I did something I hadn't done previously in this echo. I read
 BK>>  every message in this packet. Of all of them, there are a very
 BK>>  few on one thread on the topic of Fido news. There are a whole
 BK>>  bunch bickering about echo operations. And a whole bunch making
 BK>>  little sense at all.

 RC> So why would you contribute to that, knowing what this
 RC> echoes purpose is for, you let little Lofaso tell you to
 RC> make you into a lesser person, oh hell, you are a libby,
 RC> that explains the lesserness.

 You do realize that comment is another that makes no sense,
 don't you?

 What has Lofaso have to do with it?

 BK>>  There are very few making any real sense, and those not on
 BK>>  topic.

 RC> So if they dont make sense, why would yours make sense of
 RC> to others since you are blindly treating this echo like its
 RC> POL_DISORDER, POL_INC et al?

 Uh... anyone who doesn't understand what I posted has not been
 paying attention to the world.

 BK>>  I did *NOT*, however, note you moderating all those other
 BK>>  messages.

 RC> There is too much history for you to grasp, most people who
 RC> walked in here with no understanding, left because they
 RC> couldnt figure it out, you just want to add more dust to
 RC> the cyclone.

 Gee... and I thought what I posted made sense. Sorry if you
 didn't understand it.

 BK>>  Does this mean your only real objection is to opening a thread
 BK>>  on a rational topic?

 RC> No, I object to you as a newcomer treating this echo as a
 RC> political debate echo.. Especially when you know it is not.

 I joined in the obvious drift. Newcomer or old timer, what's the
 difference where that is concerned?

 RC> If you wanted riper ground to trot your political cravings
 RC> around, I am surprised you havent poked your head into
 RC> CROSSFIRE?

 RC>>> In the DEBATE echo, I am sure there is drift there as well,
 RC>>> what if I came in, during such drift and themed all my
 RC>>> posts in there on such drift?

 BK>>  Uh... read the echo name. Debate. Not poltical debate. Not
 BK>>  philosophical debate. Just debate. We were all snow white, but
 BK>>  we drifted. To Quote a virginal movie star of the 30s, 40s, 50s,
 BK>>  etc.

 RC> But what if the topic drift was about how you killed your
 RC> first wife and it was dwelled on...

 Personal attacks, and esp libel, are banned.

 RC>>> This is Fi-do-news, its not POL_INC.

 BK>>  I was surprised, when I logged in, how few people realize that.

 RC> Whats important is that you do, but the fact that you do
 RC> and proceed to exacerbate things by regarding this echo for
 RC> something it is not, speaks volumes as to why you are here..

 I am here to check out what that person said. I have come to
 understand what he was talking about. Too many people playing
 moderator.

 And regardless of the echo title, it is what it is. Like I said,
 I don't see you moderating any of the other "drift". Which
 suggests you only object to political discussion that you
 disagree with. You wouldn't mind 100% politics here, as long as
 it is what you agree with. Speaks volumes as to why you are
 anywhere.

 RC> You state that you dont understand whats being talked about
 RC> in here, you are incapable of comprehending the fact that
 RC> it doesnt make this a political debate echo.

 RC>>> Let me guess, if you popped into the WIN95 echo during one
 RC>>> of its many topic drifts, you would assume the echo is for
 RC>>> POLITICAL debate?

 BK>>  If the gist of the debate was over politics, I just might.

 RC> I suppose you would, Lefto wingnuts like you have no ethics.

 Wingnuts are, by defintion, on the right.

 Us moderates are just full of ethics. Rightwingnuts are full of
 it, but we don't want to get into what they are full of.

 BK>>  Is there anyone in the Win 95 echo these days?

 RC> Plenty, all versions of windows gets discussed in there..

 Aha! Topic drift!

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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