Text 42180, 88 rader
Skriven 2006-11-02 19:15:31 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 42172 av shannon talley (1:275/311)
Ärende: Whippets
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>> st> It's a shame you had such a negative experience with showing. A shame
>> for....me....?

 st> Well... Yes, you claim you had a bad experience, and that's a shame...

Not A bad experience, bad experiances. Plural.

>> I was in that for about 10 years just for the fun of it and got one to be a
>> Champion so I think I know (some at least) what I'm talking about but I was
>> never a breeder.

 st> What organization were you affiliated with?

Swedish Collie Club, the Working dog Club and the Swedish Kennel Club.

>> And knowing you I will not take this any further. I did that with the
>> breeders

 st> I don't think we've ever met.

But I've seen how you can (re)act when things doesn't go your way......

>> here and that did made me quit with it because for them it was all about the
>> money, not many cared for the dog.

 st> That's too bad.   I also know many breeders of many different breeds like
 st> that who are extrinsically motivated by money.  They do an extreme
 st> dis-service to the breed.  As you know there are many breed specific clubs
 st> one can belong to and one of the Whippet clubs monitors the (registered)
 st> whippet population (world wide) and provides advise and feedback to the
 st> breeders.  This helps all of the Whippet breeders monitor the population
 st> and helps us ensure that we don't over populate.

There was a TV program here that you should have seen. The President of the
Swedish Kennel Club couldn't answer a question about breeding when he was
attacked by vets that said it is wrong to breed on dogs that can't even give
birth
without having a C-section, dogs that can't even walk without dragging their
belly on the ground, dogs that can't even move due to back pain. Do you want
me to go on?
How many of those cares for the dog?

>> I was positive for about 9 years but then I run out of positivity.

 st> Ahhh.. That's too bad.....  I associate with people who have been in and
 st> out of the ring for 40 and 50 years.  They provide great advise, monitor
 st> the judges and help me pick shows they believe will help me accomplish my
 st> goal.

Yeah, pick shows with the right judge and after 40 to 50 years that shouldn't
be a problem.

>> When my Champion was beaten by a dog with a crooked nose and with a limp
>> just because that other owner knew the judge.....and I don't think it's

 st> If you believe you were bested by a flop, do you not have recourse in your
 st> organization?  If that were to happen here, we do - through the AKC. If
 st> it's a marginal call, it's the judges call, but if it's blatant -- then we
 st> can call it.

Yeah, and get in to even more trouble being called a snitch. You don't do that
to one of the top 10 breedes, do you? Especially not when that English judge
is staying at her house. I might be stupid but not *that* stupid.

 st> I once saw a lady show a whippet, and while showing (she was
 st> drunk), she fell into the line spawl.  Her dog was too tall, had an
 st> overbite, and was grossly overweight.  It shouldn't have been allowed to
 st> show!  The judge gave her the win -- then my handler and 4 others
 st> protested and called it.  The judge's call was re-evaluated on the spot by
 st> 3 other attending judges, and the show was a draw.  We all got our money
 st> back for the show, and that judge later had his AKC credentials pulled.  I
 st> know of several instances like that, and it helps keep standing judges
 st> honest.

Perhaps things have changed here by now but I  doubt it. Too much money
involed. Here a dog costs around $1.500.

>> any different in any other country, not even in the U.S. It's all about the
>> money you see....all about the money.

 st> Not with everyone....  That's one of the things I like about this breed --
 st> it's small enough to still be enjoyable because 'most' (not all) but must
 st> of the breeders are intrinsically motivated.

At least that's what you keep telling yourself.

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