Text 44471, 128 rader
Skriven 2006-12-22 14:28:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 44375 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Ärende: Insults
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Hello Roy!

On Thursday December 21 2006 11:12, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>>>> I am sure she could, but that isn't the point. Point is that
 MvdV>>>> she does not have to.

 RW>>> because there is work in her field, otherwise, she might have
 RW>>> to.

 MvdV>> Bottom line: she does not have to.

 RW> No, that's a variable. Bottom line is, she may or may not have to.

Bottom line is that she does not have to. Yes, that is a variable and tomorrow
it may be different, but now, she does not have to.

 RW>>> the rest of the time, she was at home doing the cleaning.

 MvdV>> Of course not. Not all the time. Ever so often she was acting
 MvdV>> net control on the local 2m net while I did the cleaning.

 RW> LOL! We call that 'pussy whipped' where I come from.

I am not surprised. it speaks volumes about where you come from.

 MvdV>> She was good at that: running the net. She had a very clear
 MvdV>> voice and of course being an xyl she never needed the linear.
 MvdV>> The second X chromosome is good for two S points...

 RW> So is a voice processor.

And so she got an extra 4 S points.

Plus two more for the the beam....

 RW>>> I know, taxes are so high in your country, one can't afford to
 RW>>> buy bread, let alone hire a house-worker.

 MvdV>> I have no problem buying bread. And if I can no longer but
 MvdV>> bread, I can always buy cake.

 RW> As in Marie Antoinette.

Marie Antonette never *bought* a piece of cake in her life.


 MvdV>> I see no reason why a cleaner could not operate as a bussiness
 MvdV>> here, but I see no advantage either. It just raises the
 MvdV>> adminstrative overhead.

 RW> The reason would be that the customer doesn't have to pay the taxes,
 RW> thus the possibility of you hiring a cleaning lady would be higher.

As I attempted to explain: here it makes no difference. The end result is the
same: for every Euro the cleaner gets after taxes, whoever hires him/her has to
come uo with two Euro.

 RW>>> She pays her own taxes and her customers have a legal tax
 RW>>> deduction for services rendered.

 MvdV>> In the end it makes no difference *who* actually pays the
 MvdV>> taxes. If the cleaner ends up with 10 Euro in his/her hand
 MvdV>> after taxes, 20 Euro has to be footed by whoever employs
 MvdV>> him/her. The employer can give the cleaner Eur 10 and pay Eur
 MvdV>> 10 in taxes, or the employer can hand over Eur 20 to the
 MvdV>> cleaner and than the cleaner pays Eur 10 on taxes. Same end
 MvdV>> result.

 RW> Unless the cleaning lady was a bonefide and licensed business, in
 RW> which case, the customer wouldn't have to pay any taxes.

See above.

 MvdV>> Running the cleaning operation as a bussines does not help.
 MvdV>> Before the cleaner can buy bread to eat, he/she has to transfer
 MvdV>> the money form the bussines to his/her private wallet and then
 MvdV>> he/she pays income tax. 50%. Same end result.

 RW> But then, you're overlooking the satisfaction of being self-employed.

What differnce does it make? You worl for a biss or you work for a client.
Either way you have to bow to his/her whims to get your money.

 RW> And there must be some compensation in that when it comes time to file
 RW> an income report. i. e. business deductions.

See above: the end result is the same.

 MvdV>>  If the bussines buys the bread and gives it to the cleaner to
 MvdV>> eat, it is considered income "in natura" and it is levied with
 MvdV>> income tax. TANSTAAFL.

 RW> But does that stop the self-employed from being paid a wage by their
 RW> own business?

Of course not. But it does not stop the tax collector either.

 RW>>> If you hire a contractor to build you a room addition (never
 RW>>> mind that you don't have any room to spare for it), are you
 RW>>> paying his taxes or are you 'employing' his services through his
 RW>>> business?

 MvdV>> I employ his services through his bussiness. He pays the taxes.
 MvdV>> And of course his rates take that into account...

 RW> As would the cleaning ladies business.

So there is you answer: same end result.

 RW>>> It does if I didn't own a vacuum cleaner and a mop.

 MvdV>> The required equipment is widely available and the investment
 MvdV>> is less than one hour's pays for the cleaner. If you can not
 MvdV>> afford a vacuum cleaner, you surely can not afford to hire a
 MvdV>> cleaning lady.

 RW> And then of course, one must have the incentive and the ability to use
 RW> the equipment.

If one is too stupid to operate a vacuum cleaner, I do not see how one can earn
enough money to hire someone who can...


Cheers, Michiel

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