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Text 20069, 219 rader
Skriven 2011-06-23 03:10:09 av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
  Kommentar till text 20068 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Jackass Dies
====================
HEllo LEe,

On Thu 2011-Jun-23 02:32, Lee Lofaso (2:203/2) wrote to Richard Webb:

RW>YEah right.  WOuld that JOhny KNoxville and the rest of
RW>those morons followed him, so long as they don't take any
RW>innocent bystanders along for the trip.

LL> Hollywood loves stuntmen.  So do the actors who depend on those
LL> stuntmen to do the stunts they would otherwise have to perform
LL> themselves.  Most people (actors and fans alike) respect stuntmen
LL> who perform those roles.

Indeed, good stunt men, and women are very skilled at what
they do, and do it under carefully controlled conditions,
most of the time.  SOmetimes, no matter how much you think
you've got under control though, the unexpected reaches out
to grab you.

LL> Remember, stuntmen are actors.  Real actors.  And they get paid,
LL> very handsomely, for what they do.  We might not know their names.
LL> But we love their stunts.  And some of them perform very dangerous
LL> stunts.

Indeed they should be.  Their work is dangerous.  STagehands flying speakers,
lighting, and sometimes people should be as well paid, often their work is just
as dangerous.

LL> Had a stuntman been killed doing a stunt in place of a major movie
LL> star, nobody would have criticized the stuntman for the job he did.
LL> In fact, most people would have mourned the loss of life.  But if
LL> the stuntman had been an actor on MTV, well, that's different... 

THe trouble here is that the jackass who killed himself had
been "drinking with friends" the afternoon before the fiery
crash.  I've read that in more than one account of it,
including your post in another echo on the subject.  THat
means he was driving while liquored up.
I've talked to people on the net who are in the film and tv
location sound business who refuse to work with those guys,
even for the standard day rate with rental package of gear,
because those guys are as abusive to the techs' equipment as they are to
themselves.  When you can get a working location sound guy to turn down
$500/day plus fees for renting gear
to a production because he doesn't want to work with you it
speaks volumes.  THIs is a cutthroat industry, in all phases my friend.  tHose
guys don't turn down work without good
cause.

THe actor in your feature film isn't wearing you $1k
wireless microphone when the stunts  happen, as he often
doesn't do his own stunts.  THese guys do their own stunts,
and insist on having the body worn microphone so you can
hear them, that's part of what the whole show's about.  I
gather from industry scuttlebut a couple years back that
show ended up buying a lot of its own audio kit because they couldn't get folks
who hire btrained sound men and their kit to work with them.

 TR>> ....and no more brains than to get drunked up and kill himself in a
 TR>> speeding car wreck? By the way....this jackass fool had other issues
 TR>> with drinking and driving. In 2005 he wrecked another car he was
 TR>> driving while drunk. He went through a program that got the charges
 TR>> dismissed, but he obviously didn't learn anything from that first
 TR>> experience. This time the dumb fuck got killed for his screwin'
 TR>> around. Tough shit!

RW>I'm with you there TIm.  THere is nothing even resembling
RW>art in what those clowns do, and I find its value as
RW>entertainment dubious at best.  LET's hope Bam Margera
RW>decides not to reproduce.

LL> Not everybody was a fan of his television show, or his movies.  But
LL> that does not mean that one should celebrate his death, or say
LL> unkind words about him.  The man died far too young, at age 34.  Not
LL> sure how old his passenger was, but that person also died before
LL> his/her time. 

YEs, but whiskey and wheels don't mix.  I am indeed sorry
for his passenger, but the fool driving had been drinking
when it happened, and if true to form drinking pretty hard.
Those guys are major party animals.  IF you're stupid enough to operate a motor
vehicle while drunk that's what happens.
If you're that stupid don't expect my sympathy.  I have
sympathy for your victims, but not for you if you're
arrogant to believe that it won't happen to you.  Sooner or
later, it's going to.

LL> Tim is making an assumption that may, or may not, be true.  Was Dunn
LL> drunk?  We don't know.  Was Dunn's passenger drunk?  We don't know
LL> that, either.  Of course, it makes no difference if Dunn's passenger
LL> was drunk, given that Dunn was driving.  Maybe Dunn was driving his
LL> passenger home because his passenger had had too much to drink at
LL> the bar where they had apparently been earlier.  But we don't know
LL> that. We don't even know if the passenger who was with him had had
LL> anything to drink at all.  Or where that passenger had been before
LL> stepping foot inside the car with Dunn.

tHe passenger is in this case a victim.  Dunn *had* been
drinking.  tHese guys aren't one or two with dinner type
folks, as I noted above.  Drinking is a way of life for
these kids.  THey'll be the first to tell you they devise
some of their coolest stunts when they're drinking and
brainstorming.  IT's part and parcel of who these folks are, and waht makes
them do what they do.

RW>Wrong, Jimi HEndrix died of an overdose of pills, exacerbated by a
RW>dim bulb woman who wouldn't summon help for him.

LL> Jimi Hendrix was murdered.  The official coroner's report was that
LL> Hendrix had died of asphyxiation, having choked on his own vomit,
LL> and having taken 9 sleeping pills.  But what is not mentioned in the
LL> coroner's report is what induced the vomiting.  Or why not all the
LL> pills that were on Hendrix' person had been swallowed.  If Hendrix
LL> had intended to suicide, he would have ingested ALL of the pills,
LL> not a mere handful.  And 9 sleeping pills were not nearly enough to
LL> kill anybody, much less a man who was used to popping pills.  There
LL> are far too many questions that remain unanswered to believe Hendrix
LL> died of an overdose (accidental or deliberate).  And his girlfriend
LL> likely was too wiped out to even notice Hendrix was dead until it
LL> was far too late for her to have done anything, much less call for
LL> help. For more about Hendrix and his mysterious death, check out
LL> this url - 

LL> http://www.woodstockstory.com/jimi-hendrix-murdered-conspiracy.html 

Indeed, read a book by a reporter friend of JImi's on the
subject.  She has some suspicions about the girlfriend, or
lady friend actually.

RW>OTherwise, I'd agree with that.  wHy should we feel sorry for such
RW>people?  LIfe is short, earth is overpopulated anyway.  such an end
RW>for fools is fitting and appropriate.

LL> Dunn was an actor.  He provided entertainment for a certain audience
LL> that appreciated his talents.  While his form of entertainment is
LL> not for everybody, it did gain him fame and fortune in certain
LL> quarters. 

\YEs, but you have to know when to turn it off, and if
you're going to live like that as part of what makes you
climb to the top, then fer Chrissake hire a fucking driver!
THen howl at the moon to your heart's content, and get home
safe!  AFter all, he could afford it.  I understand, you've
got to be as screwed up as a soup sandwich to think up some
of the stuff I've seen those guys do, and read about them
doing, and even just as messed up to follow through with
them.  But still, you'd think that with that much money
you'd at least want to live to enjoy the fruits of your
labors.  trip to ER as the result of a stunt done for money
and to shock the viewing audience aren't any more fun than
regular trips to er ya know.  THat stuff still hurts!


Being able to do the kind of thing those guys do means also
endeavoring to keep your body in some sort of good
condition.  IF you're smart you do the extreme out there
stuff when the read light comes on and the director calls
"action."  oTherwise, if you're smart, you husband your
strength, guard your health, and hope to live to enjoy the
proceeds.  IF you're not smart enough to do that, maybe
somebody else will enjoy the fruits of your hard won glory,
and money.  TOugh bounce, but MR. Dunn did it to himself.

<snip>
 TR>> There ought to be a special place in Hell for people like Hendricks

 TR>> Too bad there isn't some sort of celebrity
 TR>> award for taking themselves out of the gene pool. Stupidity is
 TR>> sometimes its own reward.

RW>Again would agree.  tHe fact that these idiots could even be
RW>classified as entertaining is indicative of the dumbing down of
RW>culture.  I have no sympathy for him or his so-called friends.

LL> Dunn and his castmates made a fortune, laughing all the way to the
LL> bank.  As such, I cannot rightly call any of them "idiots".

RIght, but, when you laugh your way to the bank, you hire a
driver so you can party all you like and brainstorm your
next cool stunt that's going to wow your audience and make
the cash register go cha ching.  When you start believing
your own bs that's when you get in trouble.  Look at PEte
Townshend.  THe only reason the man can still preform at all is in ear
monitoring, and an amplifier for his guitar hidden offstage with signals piped
to the earbuds in his ear canal, because playing so loud all those years gave
him such a
massive case of tinitis that actually playing at normal rock 'n roll stage
volumes is physically painful.  MOdern
technology has given PEte a new lease on his performing
life, but he realizes the mistakes he made while a young
man, but he still made few enough of them to beat the odds.
HIs buddy KEith made one too many.

 TR>> And I'm sure millions of others (me included) don't give a shit! My
 TR>> only regret is he didn't take himself out sooner!

RW>My only hope is that he took himself out before he decided
RW>to breed.

LL> And what about his millions of fans?  And those who try to imitate
LL> his art?  Millions of kids around the world love skateboarding. And
LL> skateboarding has been around for a long, long time.  You do realize
LL> that is how Ryan and Bam got started with their performance
LL> stunts...

Ah yes I do, and then that became too tame.  I know kids who do that kind of
thing, and the emergency rooms see them
every day.  THese kids got to believing their own mythology
and believed they could cheat death, beat the odds.  Maybe
this will wake the rest of them up and convince them that
when the camera isn't rolling they need to guard their
lives, their futures and cherish the opportunities they've
been lucky enough to have received.  As for MR. Dunn, he had fair warning, he
didn't heed that warning.  sO it goes, as I said above, tough bounce.

Regards,
           Richard
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