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Skriven 2014-03-26 19:20:08 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 13126 av Bill McGarrity (5470.2fidonews)
Ärende: Re: War
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Hi, Bill McGarrity!
I read your message from  25.03.2014 15:08
about Re: War.

  ak>>> It is difficult to invent what to do with the Crimean Russian
  ak>>> population now. The West thinks that in the Crimea they can only
  ak>>> see poor, crying Ukrainians faces. But actually, there are
  ak>>> nothing there but Russian mugs, happy and smiling. :=)
  BM>> My question Alexander is rather simple... but compelling none the
  BM>> less. If the Crimean Russian population was so unhappy with the
  BM>> existing government that was?? the Ukraine, why didn't they just
  BM>> simply move back to Russia?

  ak>> There is no need for many words: the Crimea is Motherland for
  ak>> them, their parents, grandparents. It is very difficult to leave
  ak>> it. Why should they leave their Motherland?

  BM> A simple fact remains then, if they considered Crimea the
  BM> Motherland and Crimea was part of the Ukraine, then they should
  BM> consider themselves Ukrainian first.

Well, suppose, the history repeated itself once more, and the Ukraine 
(before the 2014 events) has gifted the Crimea to Turkey, as a sign of 
friendship etc. According to your logic the people of Crimea must 
consider themselves Turks? Am I right?

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  ak>> Ukraine in 1954. Of course, nobody asked Russian people living in
  ak>> the Crimea. It is a old Soviet crime, but it doesn't mean that the
  ak>> Russian inhabitants of the Crimea forgot about it.

  BM> And it took 60 years? That's the better part of 3 generations
  BM> who've lived under Ukraine law. Granted, their heritage is still of
  BM> Russian descent but being they've been technically been born within
  BM> the Ukraine proper, doesn't that make them Ukrainian? Just as you
  BM> stated, Khrushchev was a Ukrainian so therefore anyone born in the
  BM> territory must also be. Can't have it both ways.

Why didn't you not tell it Albanians living in Serbia? They should 
consider themselves Serbs, too. ;-)

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  BM>> Yes, I know they showed no affiliation with Russian military but
  BM>> lets not be blind to the fact they were most likely armed by the
  BM>> Russian High Command, whoever that is, and led by trained military
  BM>> men. Not your typical population for an area known as the "Riviera
  BM>> of the Russian elite".

  ak>> I don't know what was "most likely", but the Crimea militia
  ak>> captured a lot of weapon by itself. I have already told you the
  ak>> reason -- the Ukrainian army, first of all, was _PARALYZED_ by
  ak>> Yanukovivh: he strictly prohibited it to shot people and
  ak>> participate in the events. That's why they refused to shot people
  ak>> who surrounded and captured their military bases and equipment.
  ak>> And, of course, they didn't want to shed blood by themselves, too.
  ak>> In the same manner many weapon got in the hands of the Maidan
  ak>> militia in the western Ukraine.

  BM> Your statements may have been true during the initial uprising in
  BM> Kiev, but he was long gone by the time of the - invasion- of
  BM> Crimea.

Yanukovich had appeared on public, from time to time, constantly 
repeating that the events in Kiev is a state coup, he, Yanukovich, is 
still President of the Ukraine and its Commander in Chief. He told the 
Ukrainian Army do not obey the orders from Kiev. Yanukovich came to 
power legitimately, when more than a half of the Ukrainians had voted 
for him. The Ukrainian army had meningitis' headache at that time and 
did not know what to do in this fucking situation.

  BM> Could the reasoning be the "militia" you speak of were
  BM> trained on Russian soil for just this purpose and when thinking in
  BM> hindsight, those on the Ukraine bases kept level heads rather than
  BM> starting an all out war? Putin took a gamble along with the rest of
  BM> the politico knowing with the unrest in Ukraine proper it would be
  BM> the perfect coverup for reacclimation. It succeeded, but I'm sure
  BM> he's walking on eggshells when it comes to Eastern Ukraine if he
  BM> thinks he'll be able to duplicate his success there.

As for me, I believe, that nobody in the world could foresee that the 
things would go on in such a way. All the things that Maidan opposition 
did were foolish, crazy, unprofessional and destroying. They themselves 
did not understand what could happen and what a gin appeared from the lamp.

Bye, Bill!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.fidonews 2014
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