Text 20169, 120 rader
Skriven 2014-12-17 16:44:00 av Bill McGarrity (12350.2fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 20164 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
Ärende: Re: Dogs
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-=> On 12-17-14 11:07, TIM RICHARDSON wrote to JOE DELAHAYE <=-
 TR> On 12-16-14, JOE DELAHAYE said to TIM RICHARDSON:

 JD>Re: Re: Dogs
 JD>By: TIM RICHARDSON to JOE DELAHAYE on Tue Dec 16 2014 14:10:00


 TR> They ARE controlled. They ARE registered. And purchasers ARE checked out
 TR> prior to being able to take possession of one! And they ARE kept on
 TR> record!


 JD>Perhaps in California.


 TR> In all states. There is a federal 10 day waiting period. California, to
 TR> show how modern' and front-running they are, imposed a 15 day waiting
 TR> period.


 JD>Too many items I have read that say otherwise.

As of June, 2013 my research ( http://tinyurl.com/bh8wraq ) stated:

There is no federal waiting period.  As described below, federal law allows a
dealer to deliver a firearm to a purchaser as soon as a background check
(NICS) is completed, or after three business days even if a background check
has not been completed. Each year, over 3,000 ineligible persons receive
firearms through this default provision. 

Certain states have implmented longer period even after the NICS check.

 TR> You can't always believe what you read in the media from here.


 TR> The `background check' was mainly already in place in Anza's state, his
 TR> mother purchased the weapons he used in his shooting spree, and she was
 TR> in violation of almost all the state's laws that pertained to keeping
 TR> firearms from the hands of the mentally ill.

 TR> She `knew' he was a dangerous mental case and failed to secure her
 TR> weapons in a way that made them in-accessable to him.

 TR> She took him on regular target shooting outings.

And if she was alive I'm sure she would have paid dearly for her total
disregard.

 JD>A background check is not required in all states, in a lot of those where
 JD>it is required, it gets discarded after purchase, and most cases, from what
 JD>I have read, background checks are done on the fly, so to speak.


 TR> Since 1998 the FBI has had the NICS in place. A firearms dealer inputs
 TR> a person's purchase info into his computer's NICS software, and just
 TR> like a cop out on a beat or in their station, recieves within a few
 TR> minutes the information of whether or not a person is barred from
 TR> firearm ownership or purchase.


 TR> Back many years ago you could walk into a gun store in most states,
 TR> with a few exceptions, and buy a handgun without even giving your name.
 TR> You couldn't do that in New York. They made you jump through a lot of
 TR> hoops to buy a handgun, so the handguns I had I bought out of state.
 TR> One in West Virginia, and another in Arizona. A few I bought on the
 TR> black market in New York, but you had to be careful of that as
 TR> sometimes it was a setup by the local cops, or the weapon had been used
 TR> in a crime and someone was just getting rid of it.

So you've just admitted you taken part in a federal felont offence?
nteresting.

 JD>Its not a
 JD>matter of having to wait days for a weapon.  A permit, if it is required,
 JD>is usually only required for a concealed carry, or maybe even an open
 JD>carry of a pistol.


 TR> So what? We have a sheriff in this county who made people jump through
 TR> so many hoops to get a concealed carry permit they finally had to take
 TR> him to court to get the right back!


 TR> He made an applicant `state a reason' for wanting a CCP. And if he
 TR> didn't like the reason (which was most of the time) you didn't get one.

 TR> So your little tirade was for nothing (as usual).

His concern is a tirade? Some would say your lack of concern is
irresponsible.... YMMV

The rest of your statements are 100% accurate with regard to the shooting.  The
mother's lack of action concerning her son's issues caused that tragady.  I do
commend you on your dilligence in the proper storage of your firearms.  I own
two and when I have visitors, they ALWAYS remain locked in my safe. I am the
only one who knows the combination so when the day comes I "buy the farm",
guess they'll be burying the safe with me. The fact remains, more and more,
everyday it seems, "people" reach their breaking point and off they go.  That
being said, two possible scenarios.  Either arm everyone and their Mother or
disarm everyone. Neither side of the issue want to find out if either solution
will work.



 


Bill

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