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Skriven 2015-12-25 12:17:04 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 29596 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.73)
Ärende: Rules of Echomail
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On 25/12/2015 7:43 AM, mark lewis -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> You are the one making claims that you cannot support.

 ml> you can stop looking in the mirror any time now ;)

What am I claiming? That moderators have no power? There is no evidence
available to prove the non-existence of this power. Surely if the power exists
there must be some evidence to show that it does?

Does your legal system prosecute a case with no evidence what-so-ever?

It certainly doesn't here - and remember I do not work with faith.
[..]
 DD>> Such as? Do you think that you are some sort of almighty enforcer? You
 DD>> can do nothing.

 ml> i didn't say anything about me doing anything about the problem... i
 ml> may, however, join in on whatever method may be chosen to deny lee's
 ml> hijacking attempt...

Hijacking?

Surely the users recognise him as moderator or they don't. There is no official
method of deciding who a moderator is - there is nothing official mentioning
moderators at all. They can only do what they can get away with by bamboozling
the users. Any perceived power that a moderator has comes from those users.

As a user of some echoes I do not perceive the power of any moderator. So far
no-one has presented me with anything that would change that view.
[..]
 DD>> If one doesn't cooperate with the "moderator" there is nothing he can
 DD>> do. Gone are the days of threatening people with feed cuts.

 ml> yes and so you have turned fidonet's echos into the equivelent of the
 ml> alt.* news hierarchy...

Bullshit! Where is all of this spam you allude to? Or are you speaking of the
greater traffic that we have here?

 ml> i hope you are happy with yourself for ruining the good thing we have had
all these years...

Bullshit - the echoes are still running - I am still reading/posting in them. I
can see that others are too.

 ml> the good thing that enabled you to post your missives and stir the shit
that you have... i
 ml> hope that you are happy that you may very well have caused the total
 ml> loss of free and open public echomail in fidonet...

Do you really think that I have opened the eyes of the oppressed masses?
[..]
 DD>> Other than the refusal of people to obey. Once they refuse there is
 DD>> not one thing the "moderator" can do.

 ml> there's more that can be done than you are apparently aware of... feed
 ml> cuts not withstanding but they may still be possible...

May != can. IP connectivity has seen to that. The days of the need for
controllable hierarchical mail flow have gone.
[...]
 DD>> ROFL - what sort of repercussions? What do you think gives you the
 DD>> right to "repercuss"? People can just tell you to go fuck yourself.
 DD>> You have no authority, no power.

 ml> eg: i can easily add your system to my seenbys and you won't see any
 ml> posts that originate or get routed through my system...

To follow your example and quote some tv/movie: Go ahead punk - make my day!

 ml> now let's get  more systems to do the same thing and you end up in an
empty echo
 ml> arguing with yourself...

Obviously all left for me to communicate with would be as open minded as me.
Ah.. Peace - a Christmas wish for Bill.

The Fidoweb makes your task a little more difficult - all you'd do is isolate
yourselves from the greater echo as happened once before with this echo...
[...]

 DD>> I have changed something. Already others have come to realise that
 DD>> moderators are nobodies - with no official status they can just be
 DD>> ignored.

 ml> you haven't changed a damned thing! everyone has known this since yonks!

Then why the argiing that they have some official power?

 ml> at best all you have done is to spur others to not cooperate thereby
 ml> breaking the network and it's operation...

Not at all - all I might have done is break the moderators' repressive hold on
the echoes/echomail. The technicalities of the network are working as well as
they ever did.

 ml> policy certainly has something to say about the good of the network and
your actions are
 ml> certainly /not/ good for the network...

You won;t get much support for this proposition from Z1 - after all so many of
those insist that echomail content is NOT covered by policy - and I haven't
done anything at all technical.

 ml> well, maybe if you see echomail as a troublesome entity for the network
but you've also been a huge part
 ml> of causing that trouble, too...

I see no such thing of echomail - just the moderators.

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regards
David

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