Text 963, 88 rader
Skriven 2006-05-06 16:35:11 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
    Kommentar till text 940 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
Ärende: Situation on R2:50
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06 May 06 10:20, Vladimir Donskoy wrote to Roy Witt:

 VD>>>>> Policy have information about elections only 3 places:
 VD>>>>> 1.2.5 - "Zone Coordinators are selected by the Regional
 VD>>>>> Coordinators in that zone."
 RW>>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.
 VD>>> Who can "appoint" ZC? So - it is elections... But means I
 VD>>> understand.
 RW>> The RCs in council choose and appoint the ZC, they're known as the
 RW>> RCC. They vote, but it's not an election per se', it's a selection.
 VD> OK, "RCC" is your term.

Read Section 6.2 about 'selection'...

 VD>>>>> 6.2 - "The Zone Coordinator is selected by an absolute majority
 VD>>>>> vote of the Regional Coordinators within the zone."
 RW>>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.
 VD>>>>> 7.2 - "The International Coordinator is selected (or removed) by
 VD>>>>> an absolute majority vote of the Zone Coordinators."
 RW>>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.
 VD>>>>> Another cases of elections is absent in Policy...
 RW>>>> That's because there are no *C elections mentioned in policy. Only
 RW>>>> selections.
 VD>>>>> So - 8.6 is one of the points with text of elections (system of
 VD>>>>> *Cs election).
 RW>>>> No, there is nothing mentioned about the (s)election of any *C in
 RW>>>> that section. 8.6 deals with a policy change and only a policy
 RW>>>> change.
 VD>>> No, it's wrong.
 RW>> I think I'm more qualified at reading and comprehending the English
 RW>> language than someone who's native tongue isn't English. I say there
 RW>> is no reference to elections, nor selections of *Cs in that section
 RW>> of policy.
 VD> May be, OK.
 VD>>>>> Note - all of them are "selected", not "elected"! I am not sure
 VD>>>>> in different this words, and think that "elect" is "select by
 VD>>>>> votes".
 RW>>>> Selected means that an NC is appointed by their RC, who in turn is
 RW>>>> appointed by their ZC. And in turn, the RCC selects and appoints
 RW>>>> the ZC.
 VD>>> Appoint can make by only high power level, so ZC can be appoint
 VD>>> only by IC (or ZCC).
 RW>> Only by RCC. The IC has nothing to do with it and is merely another
 RW>> ZC and is equal, but not higher than the rest of the ZCs, per
 RW>> policy.

 VD> So - it is impossible: RCC of Z2 not want any changes.

Well, if you look at the regions in Z2, you can see that there are 'dead'
regions with only an RC and no nets in the region. That's called Z2C
nodelist stuffing, just to thwart this sort of thing. Thus, why you need a
one sysop, one vote election.

 VD> .. It want only same RCs, so - election Z2C by these RCs will start
 VD> splitting of zone. :-(

 VD> But Policy 1.2.7 write: "The International Coordinator acts as the
 VD> chair of the Zone Coordinator Council and as the overseer of
 VD> _elections_ -- arranging the announcement of referenda, the
 VD> collection and counting of the ballots, and announcing the results
 VD> for those issues that affect FidoNet as a whole."

 VD> What "elections" it mean?

RCC policy referendum elections. Which in turn must be approved by the
ZCC.

 RW>>>> There are no *C elections mentioned in Fidonet policy.
 RW>>>> Voting, as in P4, section 8.6 is for policy changes and policy
 RW>>>> changes only. You may be thinking of 8.2 - 8.3, which is used in
 RW>>>> the case of an impeachment proceeding, as mentioned in 8.7.2, but
 RW>>>> it's only a guideline.
 VD>>> 8.7.2 say "election" ("by votes") (because this is process of
 VD>>> changing ZC), and procedure as 8 . So - it is a single sample of
 VD>>> "elections" in P4.
 RW>> That section of policy is solely used for a referandum to impeach
 RW>> (put on trial) and possibly remove a ZC by that region's RCC. It is
 RW>> not, I repeat, not an election nor a selection of a new one.

 VD> Yes, so impeach maked like by "election procedure".

No, impeach means to 'put on trial' as in a court of law, only this one
is under Fidonet policy.


Roy
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