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Skriven 2005-08-27 15:54:58 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6750 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: TPM
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From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com>

>   You don't have to use a TPM even if your computer has one.

Right now, yes, but in the future, I doubt that it's going to be optional. Look
at the beta x86 OSX -- it requires  a specific TPM.

>If you just want a smartcard you could have had one for years.

I didn't say I wanted one, just that I maybe could live with in place of TPM.

>A TPM builtin provides other benefits.

And negatives as well.

- Bob Comer


"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4310abaa@w3.nls.net...
   You don't have to use a TPM even if your computer has one.  If you just
want a smartcard you could have had one for years.  A TPM builtin provides
other benefits.

Rich

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net...
  >   VT is virtualization.

  Yep, know that, it's my specialty.

  >LT is security.  Neither is what george likes to call DRM.

  True.

  >What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart card like
  >functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) >provided by a TPM
  >chip.

  That's the one I don't like.   A smartcard idea I maybe could live with,
but
  it would have to be both optional for the OS and machine, and portable
  between machines.  Like a key basically, I carry it to whatever machine I
  happen to be using it at the time, rather than it being tied to a specific
  piece of hardware, and you should have the ability to own more than just
one
  key.

  - Bob Comer


  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net...
     VT is virtualization.  LT is security.  Neither is what george likes to
  call DRM.  What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart card
  like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) provided by a
TPM
  chip.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
  news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net...
    Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do about it
    either -- it's for the masses to decide about.

    For now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it.  I don't
do
    any media other than broadcast TV on my PC.  I'll probably get a new
    processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and yes, DRM, but that
doesn't
    mean I have to allow the DRM part to make any difference to what I want
to
    do.

    Eventually there will probably be some computer/OS company that will
  emerge
    to satisfy our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed
until
    everyone else catches up and they revolt.

    - Bob Comer



    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net...
    > All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology
  companies
    > can enforce more restrictions on how we use technology in order to
  extort
    > more money for the same shit.
    >
    > Once it becomes possible to prevent you from upgrading your OS without
    > upgrading your computer, or to prevent you from upgrading your
computer
    > without upgrading your OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be
able
  to
    > resist the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows
should
    > allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I somehow
think
    > that's the kind of limitations we are headed for.
    >
    > Intel is going to have to include that type of tech to make Apple
happy,
    > especially in light of the recent news that OSX was running on non
Apple
    > PC's already...
    >
    > Geo.
    >
    > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    > news:430eed74@w3.nls.net...
    >> I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm hardware for
    > palladium
    >> just like intel did.
    >>
    >> - Bob Comer
    >
    >

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