Text 6756, 165 rader
Skriven 2005-08-27 17:31:36 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6753 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: TPM
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From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com>

> What are the negatives of having a TPM?

None at the moment, unless you want to run OSX on a PC -- who knows about
Windows and other software in the future.

>   Do you have or have you seen a recent thinkpad with one?

No, we don't buy that often.

>How about a recent toshiba laptop?

Never buy those.

>Are these lesser devices because of it?

Yes, and I'll watch for it and plan accordingly.

- Bob Comer




"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4310c98d@w3.nls.net...
   I disagree.

   What are the negatives of having a TPM?

   Do you have or have you seen a recent thinkpad with one?  How about a
recent toshiba laptop?  Are these lesser devices because of it?

Rich

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:4310c52a$1@w3.nls.net...
  >   You don't have to use a TPM even if your computer has one.

  Right now, yes, but in the future, I doubt that it's going to be optional.
  Look at the beta x86 OSX -- it requires  a specific TPM.

  >If you just want a smartcard you could have had one for years.

  I didn't say I wanted one, just that I maybe could live with in place of
  TPM.

  >A TPM builtin provides other benefits.

  And negatives as well.

  - Bob Comer


  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4310abaa@w3.nls.net...
     You don't have to use a TPM even if your computer has one.  If you just
  want a smartcard you could have had one for years.  A TPM builtin provides
  other benefits.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
  news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net...
    >   VT is virtualization.

    Yep, know that, it's my specialty.

    >LT is security.  Neither is what george likes to call DRM.

    True.

    >What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart card like
    >functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) >provided by a TPM
    >chip.

    That's the one I don't like.   A smartcard idea I maybe could live with,
  but
    it would have to be both optional for the OS and machine, and portable
    between machines.  Like a key basically, I carry it to whatever machine
I
    happen to be using it at the time, rather than it being tied to a
specific
    piece of hardware, and you should have the ability to own more than just
  one
    key.

    - Bob Comer


    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net...
       VT is virtualization.  LT is security.  Neither is what george likes
to
    call DRM.  What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart card
    like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) provided by a
  TPM
    chip.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net...
      Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do about
it
      either -- it's for the masses to decide about.

      For now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it.  I
don't
  do
      any media other than broadcast TV on my PC.  I'll probably get a new
      processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and yes, DRM, but that
  doesn't
      mean I have to allow the DRM part to make any difference to what I
want
  to
      do.

      Eventually there will probably be some computer/OS company that will
    emerge
      to satisfy our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed
  until
      everyone else catches up and they revolt.

      - Bob Comer



      "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net...
      > All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology
    companies
      > can enforce more restrictions on how we use technology in order to
    extort
      > more money for the same shit.
      >
      > Once it becomes possible to prevent you from upgrading your OS
without
      > upgrading your computer, or to prevent you from upgrading your
  computer
      > without upgrading your OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be
  able
    to
      > resist the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows
  should
      > allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I somehow
  think
      > that's the kind of limitations we are headed for.
      >
      > Intel is going to have to include that type of tech to make Apple
  happy,
      > especially in light of the recent news that OSX was running on non
  Apple
      > PC's already...
      >
      > Geo.
      >
      > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
      > news:430eed74@w3.nls.net...
      >> I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm hardware for
      > palladium
      >> just like intel did.
      >>
      >> - Bob Comer
      >
      >

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