Text 26609, 143 rader
Skriven 2007-01-29 06:37:11 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26606 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Presidential race
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John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 JH> Ed Hulett -> John Hull wrote:
 EH>> John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 JH>>> Ed Hulett -> John Hull wrote:
 EH>>>> John Hull -> EARL CROASMUN wrote:
 JH>>>>> EARL CROASMUN -> John Hull wrote:
 ~>>>>>>> It'll be the usual clusterf*ck.  Hillary and Obama will bleed each
 JH>>>>> other
 EC>>>>>> dry,
 ~>>>>>>> Kerry will self destruct again.  I'm watching Tom Tancredo at the
 EC>>>>>> moment.  He's
 ~>>>>>>> got some good ideas on handling the wetback problem.

 EC>>>>>> It would be interesting to see what those "good ideas" are, but
 EH>>>> first,
 EC>>>>>> could you elaborate some on this "wetback problem" you speak of?
 JH>>>>> You could
 EC>>>>>> start by explaining what you mean by "wetback."

 JH>>>>> Please, Earl, don't be condescending.  You know perfectly well what
 EH>>>> the
 JH>>>>> term means.

 JH>>>>> I'm not interested in being solicitous of anyone's feelings.  I
 EH>>>> want the
 JH>>>>> damn border shut down, period.  If you can't come in legally, then
 JH>>> you
 JH>>>>> don't get in at all, and if you try, you run the risk of getting
 JH>>> shot.

 EH>>>> Just how do we "shut down the border," John?

 JH>>> It's very simple.  You put up a 14 ft razorwired fence, augmented
 JH> with
 JH>>> sensors.  You declare a one mile "no man's land" from the fence
 EH>> inland.
 JH>>> You patrol the line with armed UAV's and Army or National Guard or
 JH>>> Border Patrol ground units.  Anyone who breaches the fence gets one
 JH>>> opportunity to surrender or they get shot.

 EH>> Oh yeah, that's a realistic plan, John.


 JH> Why not?  The Minutemen patrolling in Arizona caused a major drop in
 JH> illegal crossings, and they didn't have a fence or any high tech gear to
 JH> help them.  Congress already authorized a fence, or perhaps you forgot
 JH> about that.

I didn't foget anything.

The "Minutemen" also had some legal problems in the process.

 EH>>>> And, did you know that the majority of illegals don't even come
 JH>>> close to
 EH>>>> water as they cross the border?

 JH>>> Don't be so damn literal.

 EH>> Than don't you be so bigoted.

 JH> I'm not bigotted.  I don't give a damn who it is or why they want to
 JH> come here.  If they can't do it legally, they're no better than a sneak
 JH> thief burglar and deserve the same kind of response.

Does it feel good to pound your chest like that?


 JH>>>>> And any US business owner that gets caught hiring illegals runs the
 EH>>>> risk
 JH>>>>> of doing hard time.

 EH>>>> There's that crux of the situation. If they couldn't get hired on
 EH>>>> somewhere, they'd not bother entering the country illegally.

 JH>>>>> Can't be any more blunt than that.

 EH>>>> The use of the term "wetback" isn't right no matter how you feel
 EH>> about
 EH>>>> the issue of illegal aliens.

 JH>>> Why? Does that offend your sensibilities?  Tough.

 EH>> No, it just shows how bigotted you are.

 JH>>> 'Wetback' is a synonym for illegal alien and you know it.

 EH>> Actually, it is a synonym for a certain kind of illegal. One specifially
 EH>> from Mexico. It has been broadened to include virtually *anyone* who has
 EH>> arrived here from Mexico.

 JH> Careful, your bleeding heart is getting your keyboard wet.

At least I have a heart, John.

 JH>>> I refuse to use 'illegal immigrant' because they aren't immigrants,
 JH>>> they're f*cking invaders!

 EH>> Good for you. Just don't whine when someone take exception at your
 EH>> language.

 JH>>> And, before anybody says anything, I don't care one whit what
 JH>>> nationality they are, or what their ethnic background is.  If they
 JH>>> aren't legal, they're invaders and should be treated accordingly.

 EH>> Uh huh, the land of the free and the home of the brave would really live
 EH>> up to that name isolating itself behind a fence and shooting anyone who
 EH>> crossed it.


 JH> I can't believe the moronic posture some people take on illegals.

Yeah, threatening to shoot them is a bit moronic, isn't it?

 JH> You can't keep allowing people to come in without restrictions.

Are you claiming there are no restrictions in place now?

 JH> We don't have the resources to handle it.  I don't give a damn who they
are or
 JH> where they come from.  The bus is full.  Every seat is taken and the
 JH> standing room is filled.  They missed the bus, too bad for them.

What utter nonsense.

Ed

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"Were the pictures which have been drawn by the political
jealousy of some among us faithful likenesses of the human
character, the inference would be, that there is not
sufficient virtue among men for self-government; and that
nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them
from destroying and devouring one another."

-- Alexander Hamilton and James Madison (Federalist No. 55,
15 February 1788)


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