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Skriven 2004-11-28 17:11:18 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 5394 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
Ärende: Breaking News!
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 JH> Don't you get it that nothing exists in a vacuum?  What is happening today
 JH> has its roots in what happened in the past.

Sure, and who did help Saddam in the past? But I guess that's a lie as well.
Who have done buisness with bin Laden? But I guess that's a lie as well.

 JH> The things that make up your
 JH> social mores are based on things that happened long before you were born.

And...?

 JH> Its called continuity, and without it, you have no frame of reference for
 JH> current events. What happened in your country in WWII is still affecting
 JH> how things are done today, just like here or in Germany or Japan, or any
 JH> other country.

In what way?

 BF>> Haven't you read what everyone are telling me? "We do what we like
 BF>> regardless what you think". What kind of discussion is that?

 JH> You are making no attempt whatsoever to understand why we take that
 JH> attitude.  Your responses make that very apparent.

How can I when all I hear is just that?

 BF>>>> You are the attorney that says he didn't do any wrong and I'm the
 BF>>>> procecutor that says he did.

 EH>>> No, the person is always innocent until proven guilty.

 BF>> And I'm trying to tell you that he isn't that innocent you will make him.
 BF>> That's my "job" as a procecutor but I haven't convictied him.

 BF>>>> Let's see what the Court decides.
 BF>>>> Isn't that how it works, even in USA?

 EH>>> Nope.

 BF>> Sorry, you have a jury but what's the difference.

I see that you skip the parts that's suits you.

 BF>>>>  EH> Iraq isn't the first conflict this world has seen.
 BF>>>>
 BF>>>> And not the last.

 EH>>> True. Your point?

 BF>> Wonder if we are going to see any American troops in it... What do you
 BF>> think?

Same here.

 BF>>>>  EH> Maybe you should do a little soul-searching.
 BF>>>>
 BF>>>> If I do it, can you promise to do the same?

 EH>>> I do, everyday.

 BF>> Well, it doesn't show.

And here.

 BF>>>> We don't have a regular army, only volunteers.

 EH>>> We have an all volunteer military as well.

 BF>> Ehh..you misunderstood me.
 BF>> Our army isn't a "payed" one. Our youngsters are draftees for about a
 BF>> year and get payed almost nothing but they will have an education when
 BF>> they leave. Only the officers have it as a job and train the draftees.

 JH> There is a vast difference in the quality of soldier between a draftee and
 JH> a volunteer.

And you point is..?

 BF>>>> Interesting. How does your bullits and boms see the different between a
 BF>>>> soldier and civilians?

 EH>>> They don't. The difference between our military and the insurgents is
 EH>>> that our military doesn't willfully target innocent civilians. Zarqawi's
 EH>>> bunch are indescriminate and target anyone they don't like.

 BF>> Such as American soldiers and people who works with them.

 JH> Such as anyone who is there trying to help the Iraqi people, even other
 JH> muslims.

As you say: If they aren't with them they are against them.

 EH>>> They murdered many innocent Fahlujans merely because they weren't
 EH>>> observing Sharia law that Zarqawi put into effect.

 BF>> I can't comment on that since I don't know. Perhaps you are right.

 JH> Right, so you discount that aspect of things as irrelevant.

No I don't but as I said: I don't know.

 BF>> Yes, since it's easy for you to see the grain in my eye and not the log
 BF>> in your own.

 JH> We're a lot harder on our own people when they screw up than any of you
 JH> pacifist types.  Ed called you a hypocrit because you are, and I agree
 JH> with him.

You can call me what ever suits you but at least I see my own logs.


 BF>> It must be very pleasant to have an echo where everyone scratches each
 BF>> others backs and skrew the rest.

 JH> Yup.

Then what the 'eck am I doing here.
I might just as well leave you to it so you can lick each others asses in peace
then.

 BF>>>> If I don't say Sieg Heil America I can go to hell, can't I?

 JH> If the only reason you post here is to take potshots at the US, then yeah,
 JH> you can go straight to hell.  So far, you haven't done a hell of a lot to
 JH> try to understand what we are trying to tell you.

And you have tryed to understand me?

 BF>> How do you know I'm a leftie?
 BF>> And Sweden was NEVER EVER allied with Nazi Germany. Can you get that into
 BF>> your skull. As you hopefully by now have read, Swedes even took down a
 BF>> couple of Nazi planes. My father was one of the shooters.

 JH> Neither was France, but it sure as hell was full of collaborators.

Are you still claming that you are listening to me?

 JH> Oh, please.  The first successful porn that was marketed here in the early
 JH> 70's was under the name of "Swedish Erotica."  There was a reason why it
 JH> was called that.  Denmark and Sweden are both rife with porn dealers, both
 JH> in print and on the internet, which they sell here at cut rate prices.  I
 JH> get tons of such crap as spam in my email.  You can't get away from it.

And I' getting it from USA.

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