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Skriven 2005-01-05 22:31:45 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 6988 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
Ärende: Rules of Southern liv
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Darryl Perry -> John Hull wrote:
 DP> On 01-05-05, John Hull said...

 JH>> Darryl Perry -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 DP>>> On 01-04-05, Ed Hulett said...

 EH>>>> Darryl Perry -> Stan Hardegree wrote:

 DP>>>>> On 01-03-05, Stan Hardegree said...

 DP>>>>>>>>> GWB got special treatment to get into the champaign squadron

 SH>>>>>>>> You are a liar.

 DP>>>>>>> Prove that I'm wrong.

 SH>>>>>> Screw you.  You made the claim, YOU substantiate it.

 DP>>>>> I made the claim and I stand by it.  You call me a liar, and if
 DP>>> you c
 DP>>>>> prove that, then screw YOU!

 EH>>>> So, let me get this straight. You made the claim and stand by
 DP> it whi
 EH>>>> refusing to show any proof. At the same time, Stan is required to
 DP>>> prove hi
 EH>>>> assertion that you are a liar?

 DP>>> Stan initially did not ever require that I show proof for my
 DP> claims.
 DP>>> just threw out the 'you are a liar' claim.  It was me who first
 DP> calle
 DP>>> for substatiation on HIS claim.  If he doesn't want to show any
 DP> proof
 JH>> why
 DP>>> should I?


 JH>> Did you or did you not make the following statement about President
 DP> Bush i
 JH>> response to Stan's comment about Clinton?:

 SH>>>> He left the Rhodes program after entering into a deal to
 SH>>>> enter ROTC at the of Arkansas.  He did this to save his
 SH>>>> redneck ass from the draft.

 DP>>> GWB got special treatment to get into the champaign squadron

 JH>> You are a liar.

 JH>> ---
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 JH>> Yes, you did.  Don't bother to deny it, as we have the post saved.
 DP> It has

 DP> I don't deny it, and my statement stands.  Read at the bottom.

 JH>> been shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bush was not AWOL and
 DP> that he g

 DP> Where has it ever been shown that GWB was not AWOL, much less beyond a
 DP> shadow
 DP> of a doubt.  To my knowledge, that has never been shown.  The questions
 DP> still
 DP> remain.

 JH>> no special treatment either getting into or during his TANG tenure.
 DP> Stan'
 JH>> statement, however, is public knowledge, also beyond dispute for a
 DP> long ti
 JH>> Therefore, your remark is a deliberate lie. Stan called you on it by
 DP> calli

 DP> Stands statement about what?  I don't recall disputing anything about
Stans
 DP> original statement.

 JH>> you a liar.  Now, you've got two choices.  Either accept the fact
 DP> that you
 JH>> are, admit it, and move on; or post proof to back up your
 DP> statement.  That

 DP> I chose the 2nd.  I would gladly have posted the proof, but again, Stan
 DP> never asked for it.  Once he made the personal attacks, like you all have
 DP> shown to do, I did not feel inclined any sort of onus to do so.

 JH>> the way the rules work. Stan doesn't have to prove you to be a liar
 DP> when t
 JH>> common public knowledge about Bush says you are a liear.  It is up
 DP> to you

 DP> The common knowledge about GWB *is* that he cannot prove that he served
his
 DP> time in the guard.  If you spout otherwise, that is merely your opinion.

 JH>> prove your statement about Bush to be correct.  We all know of
 DP> course that
 JH>> can't.

 DP> Who's we?  Your gang?  There are others of us who believe otherwise?

 JH>> So, you said Bush got special treatment to get in TANG.  We have ample
 JH>> documentation during the campaign showing he didn't, therefore you
 DP> must be
 JH>> lying.  I too, am calling you a liar, and demanding that you put up
 DP> or shu

 DP> Here's a representative example of why I said what I said, and to shows
 DP> what
 DP> I believe to be true.  You can all eat your words now.

 DP> "Barnes says he called guard on Bush's behalf"
 DP> By Michael Holmes
 DP> Associated Press Writer

 DP> AUSTIN, Texas -- The former speaker of the Texas House of
 DP> Representatives acknowledged Monday that he called the head of the
 DP> Texas Air National Guard in 1968 to recommend George W. Bush for a
 DP> pilot slot during the Vietnam War.

 DP> But Ben Barnes, who later was lieutenant governor, said the request
 DP> for his help came from a Bush family friend -- not Bush or his father,
 DP> who then was a congressman.

 DP> The Texas governor and Republican presidential front-runner,
 DP> meanwhile, insisted again that neither he nor his father sought such
 DP> assistance when he joined the Guard.

 DP> ''I can tell you what happened. Nothing happened. My Guard unit was
 DP> looking for pilots and I flew for the Guard,'' Bush said at a campaign
 DP> appearance south of Houston.

 DP> ''I'm proud of my service and any allegation that my dad asked for
 DP> special favors is simply not true. ... I didn't ask anybody to help
 DP> get me to the Guard either,'' Bush said.

 DP> Barnes, a Democrat, has been at the center of questions about Bush's
 DP> Vietnam-era service for several weeks.

 DP> His name surfaced in a lawsuit filed in federal court in Dallas by the
 DP> former executive director of the Texas Lottery. Lawrence Littwin has
 DP> sued GTECH Corp., the lottery operator, alleging that the company is
 DP> to blame for his firing in 1997, after four months on the job.

 DP> According to court records, Littwin's lawyers wanted to question
 DP> Barnes, who used to lobby for GTECH, about whether GTECH was allowed
 DP> to keep its lucrative state contract in exchange for Barnes' silence
 DP> about the Guard matter.

 DP> That theory has been dismissed as unfounded by GTECH, Barnes and Bush.
 DP> Barnes testified for several hours Monday in a deposition in the case.

 DP> Afterwards, his lawyer issued a written statement saying Barnes had
 DP> been contacted by the now-deceased Sidney Adger, a Houston oilman and
 DP> friend of the elder Bush.

 DP> ''Mr. Barnes was contacted by Sid Adger and asked to recommend George
 DP> W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard. Barnes
 DP> called Gen. (James) Rose (Texas Air Guard commander) and did so,'' the
 DP> statement said.

 DP> ''Neither Congressman Bush nor any other member of the Bush family
 DP> asked Barnes' help. Barnes has no knowledge that Governor Bush or
 DP> President Bush knew of Barnes' recommendation,'' the statement said.

 DP> Barnes also said he met in September 1998 with Donald L. Evans, a
 DP> longtime friend and chief fund-raiser for Governor Bush. Barnes told
 DP> Evans about Adger's request, and ''Governor Bush wrote Barnes a note
 DP> thanking him for his candor in acknowledging that Barnes received no
 DP> call from any member of the Bush family.''

 DP> In an interview with The Associated Press, Evans said he met with
 DP> Barnes on his own initiative, without informing the governor in
 DP> advance. At the time, he was Bush's gubernatorial campaign chairman
 DP> and was concerned only about that contest, Evans said.

 DP> Bush joined the National Guard in 1968, at the height of the Vietnam
 DP> War, serving until late 1973.

 DP> The Republican governor has said for several years that he received no
 DP> special treatment. Both he and his father, the former president, have
 DP> said they didn't ask for help in finding the Guard opening.

 DP> ''I don't know if Ben Barnes did or not -- but he was not asked by me
 DP> or my dad,'' Bush said Monday.

 DP> ''People are relying on whether a man who is deceased (Adger) tried to
 DP> help. I can just tell you, from my perspective, I never asked for, I
 DP> don't believe I received any special treatment,'' Bush said.

 DP> Bush indicated that he wasn't concerned about Barnes' deposition.
 DP> ''I think everybody ought to tell the truth when they're being
 DP> deposed. I'm confident he will,'' Bush said. ''I'm not sure what Ben
 DP> Barnes is going to say. But I know what the facts are.''

 DP> Asked if he considered questions about his National Guard service a
 DP> personal attack, Bush replied, ''I think it's just politics.''

 DP> http://www.ardmoreite.com/stories/092899/new_barnes.shtml

 DP> OBVIOUSLY, SINCE THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN IN 1999, IT HAD NOTHING TO
 DP> DO WITH JOHN KERRY'S CAMPAIGN.

And you still don't get it, do you?  That article was debunked in the 2000
campaign, and they tried to trot it out again this last time, and it was
debunked again.  Virtually every attempt made to trash Mr. Bush was shown to be
a lie.  Kerry found out the hard way.  So did Gore.

None of which has anything to do with the fact that you liberals just can't let
it alone.  You're still stuck in a rut trying to get even since the 92 midterms
cost you the House.  You don't pay any attention to what the people really
think, or what they want.  Dozens of polls show the country becoming
increasingly conservative at almost every level, yet you liberal types are
still thrashing around as if you had something to say that anybody wanted to
hear.

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